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Old 01-30-2014, 06:49 AM
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I would get the dog.
A. Because docking isn't a big deal to me.
B. Everything else is perfect and like you said, there arn't other breeders doing what this one is.
C. They are working dogs, therefore I would consider this a working dock. A dock for purpose, not aesthetics. Which to me, is the entire reason the procedure exists and as good a reason as any.
D. You buying or not buying a pup is not going to change this breeders beliefs on docking their working dogs. To me, this is not the same as not supporting a dodgy BYB not health testing or proving their dogs, this is a blip.

But like I said, my beliefs on docking have radically changed in the last few years. So this, personally isn't a big deal for me. To each their own.
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Old 01-30-2014, 06:54 AM
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Honestly, Dizzy, I have yet to find that magical breeder that does everything 100% and has the ideal dogs for me. There's a few that I like very much but we always differ on something.

I don't know that it's realistic to hold out for perfection in a breeder. In a lot of ways I think those online checklists of a 'good breeder' are very limiting.

I'm not saying you should compromise on docking but in my experience you will probably have to compromise on something. Especially with rare breeds- you don't have many options and the likelihood that you'll find perfection in a breeder in that small of a pool is very slim. I really do think the only way to find a perfect breeder is to breed the dogs yourself.
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Old 01-30-2014, 07:56 AM
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Lots of great input

Will deffo keep enquiring with different people... Who knows there may be someone out there, it's not like I've met and seen every single breeder!

And I AM willing to go abroad. Not difficult being in the uk.

And this is so far off.... Well as long as I can convince myself it's not the right timing and is a terrible idea.
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Old 01-30-2014, 11:58 AM
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There are different methods to remove the tail. All of the Dobermans I've seen done are fine and there is little to no reaction to the docking.


Heath and temperament is much more important to me than tail or no tail
IDK why it would have to be one or the other.

Personally ear cropping bothers me far more than tails. I much prefer tails but I could get over a docked dog. Right now the only cropped breed I'm interested in is Amstaffs. I don't like the look, and I personally have ethical issues with cropping. I am the one buying the dog, and my breeder of choice wouldn't allow me to leave ears on then I would look for another breeder. If it was impossible for me to find a breeder who would work with me on the issue, I would look for a different breed. I'm not going to put my puppy through a purely cosmetic surgery I don't like to achieve a physical look I find unattractive anyway.
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Old 01-30-2014, 03:01 PM
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IDK why it would have to be one or the other.

Personally ear cropping bothers me far more than tails. I much prefer tails but I could get over a docked dog. Right now the only cropped breed I'm interested in is Amstaffs. I don't like the look, and I personally have ethical issues with cropping. I am the one buying the dog, and my breeder of choice wouldn't allow me to leave ears on then I would look for another breeder. If it was impossible for me to find a breeder who would work with me on the issue, I would look for a different breed. I'm not going to put my puppy through a purely cosmetic surgery I don't like to achieve a physical look I find unattractive anyway.
I don't think she is saying that it has to be. She's just stating her opinion, much like everyone else did.

Me, I stated my opinion, but I'd never ask Dizzy to go against her own code of ethics to get a puppy. She may make the hard choice to "overlook" the docking, or she may stick to her guns. I think whichever decision she makes will be the right one for her, and I think it's great that people have such high standards for what they want to see from breeders and in the dogs themselves.

For me, docking is a non-issue. If I desperately wanted to a Rottie from a certain breeder, and that breeder did not dock tails, then I'd have a Rottie with a tail. In my case, the breeder I chose to go with does dock tails, so my pup will have a docked tail.

As far as ASTs go, I have numerous friends who own and show ASTs and do not crop ears. But be forewarned that very few judges will place a dog with natural ears, even if all the other dogs look like extreme American Bullies. I think it's a load of bullpoop, but that's a reason the ahold show ring gets a "Meh" from me.

And Dizzy, there's someone in my neighborhood with a GSP with a tail. He looks just like your Fred! I'm going to start bringing my phone with me on all walks in case I see them out again, and maybe he'll let me take a picture of him. The owner said he's an excellent hunting dog, and he's making the switch from Labs to GSPs.
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Old 02-02-2014, 11:17 AM
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Kris is only the second dog I have owned with a docked tail, the other one was also a Dobe. I have seen Dobermans with their tails and really did not like the look of them. What I was surprised at was that they did not remove her front dew claws which I was really pleased with as I see no reason for them to be taken off. I knew before I ever got Kris, that I would not be cropping her ears.
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