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Old 01-28-2014, 03:47 PM
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I was honestly in the same boat as you, I didn't like the practice BUT found a breeder I loved and honestly, the pros outweighed the cons.

I got the puppy (obviously.) and have no regrets.

I had yet to find a quality breeder (that works their dogs as does as much as I would like with them, that I clicked with, that focused so much on health) that didn't dock... so the tail, for me, COULD NOT over-ride the importance of health, temperament, breeder relations etc... so I put it further down the list and focused on everything else.
Basically, to find a tailed dog I'd have to put MUCH MORE important things aside and shuffle the priorities around, and that just was not going to happen.

I knew his breeder was what I wanted, I knew coming this close to "perfect breeder" was rare, we clicked, I loved her dogs...I got the dog. *shrug*
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I have no doubt docking is one day going to be a thing of the past. Merlin's breeder is already (I believe) not docking mis marks and such. But until then...I'd just suck it up really.

I'm happy I did

Just my 2 cents.
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Old 01-28-2014, 08:09 PM
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Simple question.
Simple answer: If it were the right puppy (for us),
I'd get the puppy, in a heartbeat.

I should add that my opinion will be of no consequence:
I have no "moral objection" over this as I know that,
done correctly, the procedure is totally benign
(most of our current dog's litter slept through the procedure).

In fact, given the choice, I would prefer the tail to be docked.
As I said, my opinion will be of no consequence in this.

This ^^^
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Old 01-28-2014, 08:17 PM
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I say stick to your guns. You can always ask about leaving tails on.
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Old 01-28-2014, 08:54 PM
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When I someday get my bouvier I will not purchase from a breeder who doesn't dock, if the breeder I like decided to stop docking I would find another breeder.
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Old 01-28-2014, 09:24 PM
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The trouble with asking a breeder not to dock a puppy for you... is that IF they would even do so, the selection process is a bit ruined because since they would choose to NOT dock that puppy for you at 3-4 days...that would be your puppy.
and what if that puppy grew up into the kind of pet you didn't want?

That said, tails are not important to me. I wouldn't choose or not choose a breeder because of tail politics.

I have seen a few breeders/owners alike saying things like IF ______ WERE A TAILED BREED OR DOCKING WAS BANNED I WOULDN'T OWN ONE/BREED THEM.
and IMO I think that's a bit...odd. I mean, it's just a tail. I understand being upset because of it being banned/the rights as dog owners... but to quit a breed altogether because they have tails now? they are still gonna be aussies with the tails lol I promise
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Old 01-28-2014, 09:32 PM
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Maybe it is because I don't care about docking...but I personally think the absence or presence of a tail isn't a good reason to choose to not get a dog that would otherwise be perfect for you.

I understand docking is an ethical quandary...but if you love everything about the breeder and would trust them to do the best by their dogs...wouldn't you trust them to safely and humanely dock the puppies?

But that's just me. :P Docking is along the same lines to me as coat color. That'd be like me turning down the PERFECT Labrador because it was yellow. Sure, if I could find a black one I'd prefer that, but if the breeder only bred yellows I'd suck it up.
This. And I much prefer a tailed dog (although I am not against docking).
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Old 01-28-2014, 09:57 PM
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It's such a personal decision. Of course first spend time looking at more breeders and see if you can find one that's just as perfect and doesn't dock.

Then you have to decide how big of a deal breaker it is for you. Some people can buy from people who cull healthy puppies (or deaf puppies), I could never ever do that no matter how perfect the breeder seems otherwise. You have to decide if docking is a deal breaker, only you can make that decision.
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I thought I might give my prospective from the other side. I'm one of those "odd" people who would be put off by owning my breed of choice (Dobermans) if Docking/Cropping were illegal. I think they look weird with natural ears and tail. (I still feel a little weird because Skittles has natural ears but by the time I got my girl she was to old)

That said if the breeder is perfect in all other aspects, I'd go for it. We got our girl from a couple who couldn't keep her any longer and were rehoming with the help of the breeder. She wasn't cropped because the husband didn't like the look. I could have waited for the next litter this summer but Skittles was everything I was looking for in a dog. Her personality and everything about her was perfect other then her ears.

In the end, despite thinking she looks silly with those floppity ears, I'm very happy with our decision and I love my girl. She's been amazing to work with and is helping me in great ways as she is being trained to be my Psychiatric Service Dog. I don't regret it and neither will you.

If everything else is perfect, just that one thing. Go for it.
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Old 01-29-2014, 12:56 AM
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As a possible alternative, do any other breeders have dogs from that breeder's lines? If so, are there any that don't dock?

Since it's a rarer breed, you might try looking on the continent for people who have used her lines or have kennels completely based on them even. They might not do as extensive of testing as that breeder, but they'll be from a recently tested lineage at least. It could be a way to compromise and still get the dog that you're hoping for.

In the end it's still weighing whether docking is more or less important than the other testing and working things being done though.
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Old 01-29-2014, 07:13 AM
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The trouble with asking a breeder not to dock a puppy for you... is that IF they would even do so, the selection process is a bit ruined because since they would choose to NOT dock that puppy for you at 3-4 days...that would be your puppy.
and what if that puppy grew up into the kind of pet you didn't want?
That is why I don't think it's fair to ask a breeder to leave one tailed puppy for you. They would be guessing which pup would be the right one for you. I think you either decide if you're okay with the way the breeder does tails/dewclaws/ears or you should go somewhere else. I think it puts the breeder in quite a spot if you ask for a tailed puppy. What if you back out? What if they pick the wrong puppy at 3 days old?

I'm looking into two traditionally docked (one docked/cropped) breeds for future dogs. At this point in time one is able to be found in the US fairly easily all natural and the other is not almost ever. If I decide on the second one, I have realized it would mean a docked dog.
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