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Old 01-28-2014, 08:32 AM
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What do you do ...
Simple question.
Simple answer: If it were the right puppy (for us),
I'd get the puppy, in a heartbeat.

I should add that my opinion will be of no consequence:
I have no "moral objection" over this as I know that,
done correctly, the procedure is totally benign
(most of our current dog's litter slept through the procedure).

In fact, given the choice, I would prefer the tail to be docked.
As I said, my opinion will be of no consequence in this.

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Old 01-28-2014, 09:12 AM
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Well, this is a pickle. I dig it... there are a few things that are dealbreakers for me that probably don't seem like a big deal to other people, and no matter what else the breeder did "right" I don't know if I could look past them or not.

I guess I would try to have a conversation with them about it. If the docking would prevent you from getting a puppy from them anyway, it's not like you're going to burn any bridges if they take it the wrong way and get offended. And I think you can phrase it diplomatically enough to not be offensive, especially since you think so highly of everything else they do.

Of course, that opens up the "if they're willing to do it, how do they know which puppy to leave undocked" conundrum, but at least you'll know whether it's even a possibility at all. One step at a time.
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Old 01-28-2014, 09:37 AM
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I agree it's worth having a conversation with them about it. Who knows - maybe they have something to say that will change your opinion on the matter. If you approach it in a pleasant way and ultimately decide a docked tail is a dealbreaker, maybe you've made a friend who can direct you to somebody who is producing what you want but doesn't dock.
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Old 01-28-2014, 12:46 PM
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Isn't there a neighbouring European nation where you could find an undocked dual purpose dog? I thought most of them banned docking.
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Old 01-28-2014, 01:16 PM
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I broke a lot of personal beliefs when I chose to buy Zinga. The breeder does a lot of things that don't sit right with me. HOWEVER, I knew that I wouldn't find the dog I wanted in another breed or from another breeder. To me, the dog was worth the sacrifice. Not everyone is like that though, it really is a personal decision. At the end of the day, I'm 100% ok with my decision and that's all that is important to me.
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Old 01-28-2014, 01:24 PM
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I am with Mina on this one. I would get over my issues with docking. Whatever they may be and get the puppy.

For me the pros would outweigh the cons.
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Old 01-28-2014, 01:31 PM
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Useful perspectives.

It's not like I'm looking to add another dog, but if I did, it's something I need to work out...... (I will admit to slight puppy fever....... Not sure how long I'm going to be able to hold out).

Saying all this. It has only just occurred to me I have dealt with this with Fred, he's dew clawed. But it's different, as I didn't actually realise until after, because, you know, PUPPY. I thought I'd covered every base, but there was one glaring one I'd neglected!!!

It hasn't killed me........... Yet. It's not like I was going to return him because of it.

I love having my value base tested from time to time...... But it's stressful!!!!

Stupid dogs.

I love Fred's tail though. The puppy was docked, I thought he looked funny. Boooooooooo.
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Old 01-28-2014, 02:28 PM
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I'm so on the fence about this. On the one hand, I do not like the ethical issues with docking (or cropping) and I just plain don't like the look, but if it was a rare breed and the breeder was everything I could hope for? I'm not sure. I'm just not sure.
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I'm so on the fence about this. On the one hand, I do not like the ethical issues with docking (or cropping) and I just plain don't like the look, but if it was a rare breed and the breeder was everything I could hope for? I'm not sure. I'm just not sure.
Just curious but aren't you getting a standard poodle? Won't that dog be docked?
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Old 01-28-2014, 02:33 PM
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I've found a few breeders (a good bit from me, but I'm willing to travel) that leave tails natural.
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