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Old 12-15-2013, 08:52 PM
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That's what he is....a spoiled rotten no good brat!!!




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He's 7 weeks on the left and just turned 10 weeks on the right!
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He's very cute.

However... I have a real hard time looking at Outlaw's pictures (especially like these). I think it's selfish and unfair to get a puppy, and then let him grow up getting used to living in a house, only to be put outside come spring.
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Old 12-15-2013, 10:35 PM
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He's very cute.

However... I have a real hard time looking at Outlaw's pictures (especially like these). I think it's selfish and unfair to get a puppy, and then let him grow up getting used to living in a house, only to be put outside come spring.
Really? You think I like it too it's not my choice and I have to abide by the rules of where I live.

There is a very small chance I can have him live inside and I'm doing everything possible to make it happen, but in the end I have to agree with the rules

And I'm not some evil monster either. Guess I should have never have gotten him to begin with huh? I love this dog a lot and he's helping termindoulsy with me and my depression over Beau's death. I probably should have never gotten him but it's to late now.
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I wasn't even going to go here. But hey, you wanted to play the victim card so here we go.

It may not be your fault that he has to go outside, we've all had parents/homes and rules about pets we didn't agree with, and It's nice that he's helping you with depression, but YOU MADE THE CHOICE to get him. You really aren't the poor victim here. I don't think "he makes me feel better" is a good reason. NOBODY FORCED THIS PUPPY ON YOU.

We've had situation here on chaz of parents bringing home pups and enforcing rules on members and you know.. I have more compassion for that kind of situation than I do an adult, KNOWING THE RULES, who has had dogs before where the rules were enforced, going out and getting a puppy.

Sometimes being an adult means putting our wants behind what is best for the animals we choose to bring into our lives.
and I don't think that's what you did here at all. You wanted this dog, you got him, FAIR ENOUGH, we all do selfish things sometimes, I've gotten dogs I wasn't ready for (they don't live outside in kennels now, but I digress) but it still makes these pictures for me, INCREDIBLY SAD.

I can't look at this happy puppy and not think of him crying in that kennel come spring time, sad lonely and confused.
or better yet, think of that other dog of yours who is out there now while this puppy is comfortable in the house.

So no, in my opinion, I don't think you should've gotten him. I don't think "he makes me feel better" is a good enough reason to bring an innocent puppy into your home to then toss him outside in a kennel come spring to be taken out when the weather is right and the stars align and when you feel like paying attention to him.

If my only option was to get a puppy (that I really wanted, even if it was Merlin my dream dog) and knowing that AT SOME POINT, any point in his life he would have to live in a kennel outside alone.. I wouldn't get him.
If I had to put Merlin in a kennel outside tomorrow to live, he would be back at his breeders looking for a new home. No matter how much it would break my heart. I couldn't do that to him.
but hey that's just me.

I understand wanting a puppy.
I understand puppies are very comforting.
They are also very exciting and new.
Grief over lost pets is very real and does hurt.
I TOTALLY get the impulse and why you would want one.
and I don't think you meant any harm
that said, that doesn't make this puppies outlook any less sad.

And it isn't really 100% about the kennel, to be clear, this isn't a hunting dog that is getting out to do a job everyday, or with a pack of other dogs, or with space to roam. It's more about dogs, pack animals, being left out, alone, in a kennel outside, for convenience sake.

So yea, even though dogs are adaptable, and it's not abuse... there's my 2 cents.
and perhaps some perspective as to why maybe some people aren't all "awww" over these pictures.
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Old 12-16-2013, 12:23 AM
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He's gorgeous.

As to the other BS, there are far worse things for a dog than living outside.....and......as long as he is properly cared for and shown attention once outside, who gives a ****. She did also say she was doing everything possible to make sure he would get to continue being inside. And she does appear to spend time with the dogs...even when they are outside. There were always tons of pics of Beau and Takoda. And I believe I just saw some Takoda pics not too long ago .
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Furthermore, some people feel crating is wrong, making a high energy breed live in an apartment, making a low energy breed do stuff, the list goes on. Someone is always going to have something to say about the way soemeone else keeps their dogs. In the end, as long as they're we'll taken care of.....who cares.
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I wasn't even going to go here. But hey, you wanted to play the victim card so here we go.

It may not be your fault that he has to go outside, we've all had parents/homes and rules about pets we didn't agree with, and It's nice that he's helping you with depression, but YOU MADE THE CHOICE to get him. You really aren't the poor victim here. I don't think "he makes me feel better" is a good reason. NOBODY FORCED THIS PUPPY ON YOU.

We've had situation here on chaz of parents bringing home pups and enforcing rules on members and you know.. I have more compassion for that kind of situation than I do an adult, KNOWING THE RULES, who has had dogs before where the rules were enforced, going out and getting a puppy.

Sometimes being an adult means putting our wants behind what is best for the animals we choose to bring into our lives.
and I don't think that's what you did here at all. You wanted this dog, you got him, FAIR ENOUGH, we all do selfish things sometimes, I've gotten dogs I wasn't ready for (they don't live outside in kennels now, but I digress) but it still makes these pictures for me, INCREDIBLY SAD.

I can't look at this happy puppy and not think of him crying in that kennel come spring time, sad lonely and confused.
or better yet, think of that other dog of yours who is out there now while this puppy is comfortable in the house.

So no, in my opinion, I don't think you should've gotten him. I don't think "he makes me feel better" is a good enough reason to bring an innocent puppy into your home to then toss him outside in a kennel come spring to be taken out when the weather is right and the stars align and when you feel like paying attention to him.

If my only option was to get a puppy (that I really wanted, even if it was Merlin my dream dog) and knowing that AT SOME POINT, any point in his life he would have to live in a kennel outside alone.. I wouldn't get him.
If I had to put Merlin in a kennel outside tomorrow to live, he would be back at his breeders looking for a new home. No matter how much it would break my heart. I couldn't do that to him.
but hey that's just me.

I understand wanting a puppy.
I understand puppies are very comforting.
They are also very exciting and new.
Grief over lost pets is very real and does hurt.
I TOTALLY get the impulse and why you would want one.
and I don't think you meant any harm
that said, that doesn't make this puppies outlook any less sad.

And it isn't really 100% about the kennel, to be clear, this isn't a hunting dog that is getting out to do a job everyday, or with a pack of other dogs, or with space to roam. It's more about dogs, pack animals, being left out, alone, in a kennel outside, for convenience sake.

So yea, even though dogs are adaptable, and it's not abuse... there's my 2 cents.
and perhaps some perspective as to why maybe some people aren't all "awww" over these pictures.
Fran, I don't know how you got all of that out of my brain and put it into words so perfectly, but this is exactly what I was thinking... All of it. But especially the last line, too.


And for the record, (Red Chrome) I agree there are far worse things. But that doesn't make it anymore okay with me. Who gives a rats ass? I do, for one, because I'm a big time dog lover and I care about them, even the ones I haven't met like tons of dogs here on Chaz...
I'm not an extremist who thinks no dogs should live outside ever, either. Actually, I've been on here a long time and I remember past members whose dogs have lived full, happy lives but also stayed outside. But also in "real life"... Heck, even my uncle has a real nice hunting lab who stays outside a predominate time.

But that's not the point that I was trying to make. I'm not trying to me this "all about me"..... Fran worded it well. Muttkip has been on here for a while and I felt she had a right to know how some of us may feel, maybe why she doesn't have tons of responses on her picture threads. Because outlaw is adorable!!
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And she does appear to spend time with the dogs...even when they are outside. There were always tons of pics of Beau and Takoda. And I believe I just saw some Takoda pics not too long ago .
Because pictures don't tell us everything, we only know what's posted on here... We've also had members post pictures claiming other dogs as their own. So what, who cares? There was also a post saying Takoda was howling outside, lonely.

So, yes... I'm not going to lie. When I see Outlaws pictures cuddling in a bed, looking oh so cute and warm and happy....I care...it does make me upset. So usually I don't look at them. That's all.
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Fran, I don't know how you got all of that out of my brain and put it into words so perfectly, but this is exactly what I was thinking... All of it. But especially the last line, too.


And for the record, (Red Chrome) I agree there are far worse things. But that doesn't make it anymore okay with me. Who gives a rats ass? I do, for one, because I'm a big time dog lover and I care about them, even the ones I haven't met like tons of dogs here on Chaz...
I'm not an extremist who thinks no dogs should live outside ever, either. Actually, I've been on here a long time and I remember past members whose dogs have lived full, happy lives but also stayed outside. But also in "real life"... Heck, even my uncle has a real nice hunting lab who stays outside a predominate time.

But that's not the point that I was trying to make. I'm not trying to me this "all about me"..... Fran worded it well. Muttkip has been on here for a while and I felt she had a right to know how some of us may feel, maybe why she doesn't have tons of responses on her picture threads. Because outlaw is adorable!!
But I don't think it's as black and white as


Because pictures don't tell us everything, we only know what's posted on here... We've also had members post pictures claiming other dogs as their own. So what, who cares? There was also a post saying Takoda was howling outside, lonely.

So, yes... I'm not going to lie. When I see Outlaws pictures cuddling in a bed, looking oh so cute and warm and happy....I care...it does make me upset. So usually I don't look at them. That's all.
Just to clear the air on Takoda, she was howling at night because she missed Beau. The howling has stopped for the most part since getting Outlaw. Also Takoda stays outside for very good reasons. She's more comfortable outside, she has bad FA/Reactivate and anxiety. When she was in the house, she paced, whined and destroyed everything. She flips out in the crate and tries to destroy by biting the bars and digging until she bleeds. She however doesn't act this way outside. She likes being outside and being in her doghouse. She doesn't do what she does in the house. She's a much happier dog outside then inside, I've tried it with her and it isn't for her. She does get out of her pen for around 2-3 hours a day or if I'm working an oddball shift I try to walk her around the property so she gets out of the pen for a bit.

And since getting Outlaw she's become more playful as well. We also have plans this spring since Beau's pen is sitting empty and not being used to tear down the wall that divided her and Beau's pen and allow her to have access to what was his kennel, after of course we cleaned out his pen and get rid of his little red Snoopy doghouse .

As for Outlaw staying in the house, the chances are increasing for him to stay in the house. So long as I can keep him well-trained and house broken he might be able to stay because me and my MIL were talking about how to fit his big dog crate in my room and still allow him to have more space so he can play. So the chances are increasing by the day

Of course he'll have to stay in my mine or my DH's rooms and can't have access to the main part of the house, but with 6 acres of land that's not a problem.

Do I need to explain myself more?
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