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Old 10-07-2013, 09:21 AM
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Wondering what joint supplements you give, which ones actually work (I've heard of a few studies that claim glucosamine and such are basically just placebos).

Jackson will be 5 next week, and is in good shape. I've never really seen any signs of joint troubles, but he is an active dude, and we're back in agility once a week.

Should I be giving him some type of supplement just to be precautious?

If so, what would you recommend? I'd probably prefer a powder or a chewable, that I can mix in with food, vs. a pill (he's annoying to pill).
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Old 10-07-2013, 09:31 AM
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I dont really supplement that much when I am able to get a good variety and selection of raw but my basics are MSM and coconut oil (fish oil would be in there too but I feed fish for that).

I do use bug off Garlic sporadically for flea control. I will also sometimes go ahead and get Longevity as I really do like the list of ingredients is has and the dogs love it too.
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Old 10-07-2013, 09:40 AM
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I probably don't need to supplement with G/C, but I do anyway. Kaylee will be 6 in a few months and she's still doing lure coursing, so she gets G/S as a precautionary measure. Jayne is a BIG dog and really hard on his body, so he gets it as a precaution as well.

It's cheap, so I'd rather do it than not. But the other dogs don't get it.
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Old 10-07-2013, 09:42 AM
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Yea I don't know that I would call them necessary, but I give them as a precaution. I do Dasuquin for everybody - Pip because he's 8 1/2 and the youngsters because they work so hard. I'm ok with just being out the money if it's not really doing anything, and it makes me feel better to be doing something that might help them.
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Old 10-07-2013, 10:44 AM
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I recently started giving Jubel a Zukes hip action chew every night as well as giving chicken feet as part of his partial raw diet. I've seen no signs of issues with his hips but he's about 5.5 years old and I'd rather give a preventative just in case for my own peace of mind.
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Old 10-07-2013, 12:03 PM
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It was recommended to me to use something called Sasha's Blend or Joint Strong for Journey because she's to be a sport dog and also just super hard on her own body, so while she doesn't really need a supplement, I will be getting her something just to be proactive. And because Dance is getting older and now plays Flyball and Agility, I'll give it to her too. And even the Dobes could benefit I am sure, since they're not getting any younger either, eventhough they don't do much other than go for walks/runs.

There are lots of different ones out there, but the two I mentioned above appear to get great reviews. A lot of my customers at the store really like BioJoint and Nupro too. Recovery SA is fairly popular as well, although recently I've had people tell me they haven't noticed much difference in their dogs (with problems) using it. A lot of people love the Zukes Hip Action treats too cause they're treats and easy to feed to dogs who might not like things mixed into their food. I don't personally have experience with any of them yet.

Lots of people just use Glucosamine found in people stores too. And there was one someone here recommended a long time ago that looked and sounded really good, but I can't remember who said it or what it was called. I kind of feel like it was one of the Minnesotans... maybe something SpringerLover gave to Buzz? I don't know haha. Totally unhelpful I am.
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Old 10-07-2013, 12:36 PM
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Can dogs fall for the placebo effect? Because my dog can't walk without his knees popping out of joint UNLESS he is on Glucosamine. When he was diagnosed with Luxating Patellas, I was debating the ($3000 PER knee) surgery. Decided to try Glucosamine/Chondroitin first and it's honestly been a miracle supplement. As long as he is on it, his knees don't pop out of joint (Unless he is playing rough and goes down the wrong way. But they pop back in quickly).

I ran out ONCE and was a little slow getting more. Within 2 days his knees were popping out of joint every time he walked again. So IMO, it's not placebo effect. It DOES work.

BUT, how much it works I think depends on the dog. Works better for some than others I believe.
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Old 10-07-2013, 01:01 PM
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I'm ok with just being out the money if it's not really doing anything, and it makes me feel better to be doing something that might help them.
This. Everyone here is on the older-ish side (6, 7, and 9) so we do Pet Naturals Hip & Joint and Wapiti Labs Mobility. I also give fish oil.
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Old 10-07-2013, 01:16 PM
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I give Juno and Happy glucosamine/msm. Juno gets it just because she's so rough, if I can do anything to mitigate future joint issues even just a little bit, I will. Happy is of course old and hobbles a bit. I don't really know that I see much difference on supplements. I used to have her on Wapiti Labs Mobility but it's expensive and I didn't see it helping. Glucosamine is cheap and even if she's not leaps and bounds better, I feel better giving her something.

I tried putting Lucy on the glicosamine but they're big, gross tasting pills and she just wasn't falling for it. She's my mom's dog, she can pay for the expensive yummy chews if she wants, but I'm not lol.
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Old 10-07-2013, 02:07 PM
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Studies have shown that the molecular weight of the supplement determines their bioavailability for the dog.

Dasuquin is a product that meets the qualifications, so that's what I use.

I've seen a huge improvement in Buzz since I've been able to add it back in for him, and I saw a huge (but gradual) improvement in Gabby when I started her on it. Bailey has been on it for years and years now.

Granted the dogs in question are 15, 13.5, and almost 8.
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