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Old 11-17-2013, 11:36 AM
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I've had kids come up to my dogs in pet stores, at dog events, while out walking on trails, my neighborhood.. pretty much everywhere! Was at a car meet with Barrett last night and had a 3yr. old RUN up to him and start petting/playing with him. Thankfully Barrett met him with a bunch of kisses and tail wags
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Old 11-17-2013, 12:16 PM
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Been out the last couple days for the most part so I am behind.

With having concerns with the OP being able to handle the dog I meant 1) Having a lot of room mates would be a potential problem and 2) The statement that the ex was grabbing the dog to go scold the dog for something the dog did wrong was what had me concerned... At the least taking a dog to where it's peed in the floor or chewed something up after the fact is ineffective because the dog has no idea what you're scolding them for. At worst with a fearful dog, you're going to get them reacting in fear and since the options are fight or flight and you holding them takes away flight as an option.... That is EXACTLY how I got bit by Trey. I just think coming at training with that kind of a mindset is not going to work with a fearful dog.

No one said dogs biting when they get the collar grabbed is ok but just that it's not uncommon with a dog that hasn't been conditioned to allow someone to hold on to their collar.
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Old 11-17-2013, 12:33 PM
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My dogs will use their mouths on my arms if we're playing rough, but nothing that I'd ever deem aggressive (none have ever left marks on my arms or anything that remotely hurt me). There's a huge difference in that (playful) behavior vs. if I went to grab one of their collars and they turned around and bit me because they didn't like what I was doing. THAT is not okay. Ever, IMO. Especially when the dog is biting its owner and not a random person. I don't care what level of bite it is.
Mia bit me because she didn't like what I was doing. Teeth on skin but no mark. I had been ignoring her more subtle warning signs that she was very stressed. She honestly tried before resorting to a warning bite and when she did bite, her bite inhibition was fabulous. Who is at fault there? Imo her bite was justifiable. To me there ARE justifiable 'hey, I don't like that' bites when the human is being obtuse and ignoring other warning signs going on.

As far as fearful dogs getting rushed, it's happened with Mia and an adult a few years ago. I had let my guard down because it was an acquaintance and I assumed since she had dogs and had interacted with mine for several times that she wouldn't do something moronic. Well... she ran up one day and scooped Mia up and shoved her in her face, making kissy noises. Shocked me and Mia too. Mia just looked horrified and I got Mia away fast enough. I do understand people do stupid stuff. A lot of what I would call 'spooky dogs' though are going to go for flight vs biting as the first option. It is only when pursued that they bite. I think Mia would bite but only in a situation where she was cornered and pursued by someone acting very aggressively, which hasn't ever happened because I wouldn't let it. She's not HAPPY being in situations where strangers are handling her (unlike Summer who relishes it), but she's never growled or snapped or anything like that. I keep any kind of stranger handling to a bare minimum.

With Trey to keep him safe and honestly just to keep him from being anxious, he just didn't go anywhere. He'd panic on walks or anything like that so he was never out in public to begin with. The only places he went were the vet's and then the papillons' breeder to be boarded. He was much happier staying and hanging around the house (we had a couple acres) and just living that simple kind of life. I think trying to force him into a 'normal dog' style life would have been awful for him, but he had a long, happy life just staying in familiar surroundings.
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Old 11-17-2013, 01:59 PM
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I know in our area you can walk around with a dog, whether it is a cute puppy or my Doberman and nobody usually ever tries to pet them. That is why when a woman crossed the street, then suddenly ducked down with her face inches away from Kris, my Doberman, it caught me completely unawares. I could tell Kris was uncomfortable but at the same time I did not want to jerk her away but my heart was in my mouth even though she had never ever bitten or snapped. I just quietly said her name and she looked at me and I backed away.

What it did do was make her uncomfortable if some ducks down in front of her. She is fine with anybody that just walks up, she will sniff them and let them pat her. My niece who Kris knows pretty well, ducked down in front of her, she backed away and would not go up to her until she was standing again.

I have read through the entire thread and I am glad the OP is going to try and see if she can solve the problem or at least learn how to manage it.
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Old 11-17-2013, 02:03 PM
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Well this thread has been interesting, to say the least. I have to say, I'm pretty surprised at the amount of people who think it's almost.. acceptable, for a dog to bite if its collar is grabbed..
I don't think it's acceptable at all. But it's a problem that can be addressed, and I wouldn't grab the collar of a dog again who had already bitten at least once in response to getting it's collar grabbed without working on addressing the behavior and then describe subsequent bites as "unprovoked".


ETA: Again, given the environment I'm not sure addressing the behavior is doable for this dog. I had roommates or family members who I didn't trust to take stuff like "don't grab his collar while we work on this" seriously, then I'd make a different decision than I would living in my current situation. But that would be because of people problems, not dog problems.
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Old 11-17-2013, 02:52 PM
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is possible. or certain people give off a certain aura that makes others think they can do whatever they want. iv lived in 4 different states with my APBT and Am Bullies, and i actually have never had someone come up to me and ask about my dogs, their breed, or anything. maybe i give off an aura of "dont talk to me" which suits me just fine. the less i get accosted in public, the happier i am. my dog is not public property either, and doesnt need to be mauled by every tom dick and harry. gyah i think i would punch somebody out if they ran around me to harass my dog
Right. Instead of acknowledging that rude, entitled, pushy people exist instead I have an "aura" that causes people to be douches to me. Kinda like how rape victims "ask" for it, or have an "aura" that invites them to be preyed on.

Maybe it's just that being out in public with a SD exposes you to a wider array of human beings and their behavior/misbehavior than a lot of pet owners are exposed to with their dogs.
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Old 11-17-2013, 04:06 PM
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Right. Instead of acknowledging that rude, entitled, pushy people exist instead I have an "aura" that causes people to be douches to me. Kinda like how rape victims "ask" for it, or have an "aura" that invites them to be preyed on.

Maybe it's just that being out in public with a SD exposes you to a wider array of human beings and their behavior/misbehavior than a lot of pet owners are exposed to with their dogs.
i was actually thinking more along the lines of "looks nice and inviting and welcoming of chitchat and aggressive friendliness" as opposed to me and my giant flashing neon "**** OFF" sign on my forehead
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Old 11-17-2013, 05:08 PM
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i was actually thinking more along the lines of "looks nice and inviting and welcoming of chitchat and aggressive friendliness" as opposed to me and my giant flashing neon "**** OFF" sign on my forehead
Agreed, I think I also give off a "asshole" vibe with in the general public (parks, pet stores etc ...) I am always watching or listening for the child screaming "DOGGIE!" To which I put my hand out and shout "STOP!" Or "NO!" In the most frightening voice I can muster, it works very well on adults too.

Buddy might fear bite if a stranger grabbed his collar and didn't let go. If I do it he will freeze or flip on his back if I push it, but we are working on it. With him he loves food so pieces of cut up string cheese work great . I grab his collar firmly and out pressure for as long as he will put up with it (I use my judgement here) then right before he is over his limit I release and we have a treat party. That method has helped him a lot.

So no I don't think a dog resisting a collar grab (I think all my dogs would at least fight if a stranger tried it) shouldn't be a death sentence ... ESP with the treatment this dog has as a youngster.
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Old 11-17-2013, 05:55 PM
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The kids that have run up and grabbed my dogs didn't yell anything before they did, they generally just come out of nowhere. And no amount of "asshole vibe" would have kept them away, they weren't paying attention to me, they were focused on the dogs.

I can't see how giving off an "asshole vibe" would keep people from grabbing at dogs at all. It might keep away the polite people, who would ask first, but the people who want to just grab the cute dog aren't paying that much attention to the owner.
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Old 11-17-2013, 05:57 PM
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The kids that have run up and grabbed my dogs didn't yell anything before they did, they generally just come out of nowhere. And no amount of "asshole vibe" would have kept them away, they weren't paying attention to me, they were focused on the dogs.

I can't see how giving off an "asshole vibe" would keep people from grabbing at dogs at all. It might keep away the polite people, who would ask first, but the people who want to just grab the cute dog aren't paying that much attention to the owner.
i guess my dogs are not cute lol
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