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Old 08-05-2013, 02:51 PM
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I think if a 13 year old cant understand having a feeling vs acting on a feeling we have much bigger problems on our hands......

I agree a LOT of pop music is questionable in its content. But then discuss it, explain to children why you agree/disagree/etc. Open a dialogue. Some, yes, I do think can be damaging but the songs do not drive society; they are a reflection of it.
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Old 08-05-2013, 02:55 PM
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Splitting hairs, I don't think most 13 year olds are that deep to consider ooooh is she singing about an action or a feeling.
I don't think it's splitting hairs. And not only do I think 13 year olds are capable of understanding the difference, I think it's super important for them TO learn the difference: While that having a feeling like that isn't necessarily wrong and is part of being human, they need to learn how to find a different way to deal with those feelings instead of acting them out. Otherwise, what else are we doing with 13 year olds besides teaching them how to be adults who don't act on every impulse they have?
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how many ho's you think I ran a train with? I could sing songs about it all day long. Find 'em, **** 'em and Flee you know. I still know the words to most of those songs. Still listen to them on occasion too because i think it's funny i ever listened to that stuff. How did it influence me? I surely knew the difference between a song's lyrics and treating people with respect. Just like I can tell the difference between a movie and real life. I suspect a good number of people can. In fact I'd say most.
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I think if a 13 year old cant understand having a feeling vs acting on a feeling we have much bigger problems on our hands......

I agree a LOT of pop music is questionable in its content. But then discuss it, explain to children why you agree/disagree/etc. Open a dialogue. Some, yes, I do think can be damaging but the songs do not drive society; they are a reflection of it.
You could get deeper and look at what drives music though... Who controls what songs are released, on the radio etc... We are all puppets to some degree!!

Unless you wander off the beaten track of spoon fed society by exploring some of the other 'scenes' you can live your whole life believing what you're told (music is dumbed down... Probably more damaging than pink, rap and hardcore porn clips all mixed together lol).

Good parents open dialogues, most parents are pretty average though. They don't think about it in day to day living.
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Old 08-05-2013, 03:01 PM
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I think you're really underestimating 13 year olds mental capabilities.
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you can live your whole life believing what you're told (music is dumbed down.
So...I'll just let the quotes do the talking here
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Old 08-05-2013, 03:08 PM
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I think if a 13 year old cant understand having a feeling vs acting on a feeling we have much bigger problems on our hands......

I agree a LOT of pop music is questionable in its content. But then discuss it, explain to children why you agree/disagree/etc. Open a dialogue. Some, yes, I do think can be damaging but the songs do not drive society; they are a reflection of it.
I agree whole-heartedly! I had a lovely conversation with my ten year old sister about how 1D's 'What Makes You Beautiful' is saying you're only beautiful if you are self-conscious, and as long as this guy here thinks you're beautiful you should have great self esteem, because what guys think of your looks is totes the only factor...but wait, don't, because you're only beautiful if you don't know it.
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I think you're really underestimating 13 year olds mental capabilities.
I'm not and have not said music will make kids turn into raging aggressive man haters or women beaters. I think greenmagic said music is a reflection on society.

When pop music talks about thinking about slapping people (or sex, hello Rhianna) then I assume that is a reflection on society...?

Specifically POP music churned out the the masses.

I'm not actually saying pink can't sing whatever the hell she wants to. I just find it mind blowing its on mainstream radio daily. Along with many other songs. Mainstream POP radio songs, now including more sex and violence (sorry, feelings ).

Its FASCINATING.
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To answer the initial question, no, I wouldn't really consider myself to be a feminist. In zoom's definition, yes, I am... but I'm so far from a bra burning, hairy legged woman full of girl power.

I think that most children have the ability to separate song lyrics from real life situations. Same with movies, video games, etc. I've never been one to buy the whole "violent video games make violent children." I've played video games from the time I was four years old. My friends and I would play Mortal Kombat when I was in elementary school. I've NEVER wanted to have a fight in real life... actually, it's always been quite the opposite!

One of my favorite songs at age 12 was Semi Charmed Life by Third Eye Blind. I remember my friends and I would blast it on the radio and sing along. For those who don't know, it's a song about crystal meth. Here's a good chunk of lyrics:

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The sky was gold, it was rose
I was taking sips of it through my nose
And I wish I could get back there, someplace back there
Smiling in the pictures you would take
Doing crystal meth, will lift you up until you break
It won't stop, I won't come down

I keep stock with the tick-tock rhythm, I bump for the drop
And then I bumped up, I took the hit that I was given
Then I bumped again, then I bumped again

I said...

How do I get back there, to the place where I fell asleep inside you
How do I get myself back to the place where you said...

...Those little red panties they pass the test
Slide up around the belly, face down on the mattress
I've never done crystal meth, and the lyrics didn't appeal to me... but I loved the energy and beat of the song.

Most inappropriate content will go over kids heads anyway, and the stuff that they do understand won't make them want to go out and do it.

It's like telling a kid "I'm so hungry I could eat a horse" and then they bring home a horse for dinner. They're not going to take everything literally. Kids can easily separate "I'm so mad I want to slap someone" and actually doing it.
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I'm not and have not said music will make kids turn into raging aggressive man haters or women beaters. I think greenmagic said music is a reflection on society.

When pop music talks about thinking about slapping people (or sex, hello Rhianna) then I assume that is a reflection on society...?

Its FASCINATING.
I'm not saying all songs on the radio are suitable at all, some are downright awful. But in this case she's not slapping him. She feels like slapping him. I sometimes say I felt like slapping someone, when recounting a frustrating encounter with someone. It's an exaggeration. I'm saying, I think a 13 y/o can understand the concept of exaggerating.

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To answer the initial question, no, I wouldn't really consider myself to be a feminist. In zoom's definition, yes, I am... but I'm so far from a bra burning, hairy legged woman full of girl power.
As brought up earlier, Zoom's description...that's much more 'normal' feminism. There's this stereotype of 'crazy feminists' that people like to use, especially to brush off feminism as over the top...and feminism does not mean not shaving your legs. It means the choice to do what you please with your own body hair.
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