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Old 07-22-2013, 09:11 PM
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Beanie, I REALLY like your hybrid idea! And of course Facebook is a must. I already have a page on Facebook for it, it's just not "open" yet.

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You're probably also already aware that there are bajillions of other people selling stuff like dog harness and leashes (I just went there and did a search for dog harnesses and 128 pages came up) and so you'll have to find a way to stand out. Not that you wouldn't have the same issue with an independent website. I know that many people have both an Etsy shop AND an independent web site, or started on Etsy and then grew into their own website.
Yes, definitely all this. I will be catering to SDs/working dogs, as there are literally NO affordable guide/working dog harnesses out there. And the only other person I can find that makes nylon guide harnesses has a turnaround time of a full year, which is why I even tried to make a harness in the first place. I figure the leashes and stuff will just be a sort of "oh, while I'm here, I'll get this and save on shipping" sort of thing. And they'll mostly be euro leads and traffic handles, which, again, are commonly used on working dogs.

I'm also NOT planning on making this a full-time, support-myself-on-this-alone business. So if I sell two items a month, awesome. If I sell 10 items a month, great. If I sell 5 items a year, still fine.

Photography is the one I have to work on. I need to schedule time in the daylight to take proper pictures, instead of taking them on the kitchen floor at midnight like I tend to do So, instead of this (which is the dining room wall, not the kitchen floor, but whatever lol):


Do more like this (I so didn't make this collar, it's Ella's Lead, but I love the photos I took of it lol).



Thanks SO MUCH for all the input! Keep it coming, but I think I'm going to go with Etsy with a Facebook supplement and eventually (sooner rather than later) a no-cart website. I know OnLead gets by with a website with no cart and sells through email, but really, it's a pain to buy that way and I feel like it would turn a lot of people off and look suspicious. I trust OnLead now and shop there all the time, but I was definitely wary of it at first.
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Old 07-22-2013, 09:27 PM
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Photography is the one I have to work on. I need to schedule time in the daylight to take proper pictures, instead of taking them on the kitchen floor at midnight like I tend to do

Good point, though! Pictures are always a huge selling point to me.`
I always wondered about making something like this http://www.wikihow.com/Create-an-Ine...raphy-Lightbox ... there's tons of ideas if you google it
Also, I know some sellers use dog models or stuffed dogs even for showing off the shape of the harness better
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Old 07-22-2013, 09:39 PM
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I've actually been meaning to make a light box to take pictures of the gecko in, never thought of using it for this!

I could totally make/find stuffed dogs to use as models for the smaller stuff, and my own dogs for the bigger stuff.
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Old 07-22-2013, 09:52 PM
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I wonder if anyone is making working hanesses out of biothane because thats another idea that would be great I think!

Also working leads with no handle just the clips and rings out of biothane!
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Old 07-23-2013, 11:51 PM
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Etsy.
I don't even search for independent websites at all anymore really unless someone recommends it via word of mouth.. I want the customer reviews available and etsy does a great job with that.
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Old 07-23-2013, 11:56 PM
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I wonder if anyone is making working hanesses out of biothane because thats another idea that would be great I think!

Also working leads with no handle just the clips and rings out of biothane!
All Things Bright And Biothane and Custom Canine Collars both do custom biothane work, you can contact them I don't have the supplies or knowledge to make biothane anything, and I can't make the investment to learn and purchase tools right now.
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Old 07-29-2013, 02:48 AM
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So, interesting turn of events.

Sadly, the owner of PawPower Creations has passed away. I was just informed of this a few minutes ago by an old friend from the SD forum I used to be on, but it happened back in May. He was an awesome person and will definitely be missed.

That also means there is NO source for nylon guide harnesses right now, aside from the DT guide harness which is expensive and not custom, and the Am-Can guide harness which is also expensive and I've been told they're pretty terrible.

So, I may have a bigger market than I had expected, and I will try to roll out the Etsy shop and Facebook page sooner than I had planned. I'm going to try to get them up this week, since the need is there.

For thoseof you who have bought a harness from me, or those of you who use a guide/working harness, what would you pay for a harness? I'm still getting the occasional scorch marks or crooked stitching, which I know brings the value down. But I'm just having a hard time pricing these things. The Am-Can harness goes for $90+ (and almost $30 shipping). The PawPower ones went for $70 for the harness and $35 for the handle. If you wanted padding, it was an extra $10. I just...feel terrible about charging those prices. At the same time I had no qualms about paying that for the harness I wanted (it was the 1-year turnaround time that changed my mind). So far I've only sold my harness at cost plus shipping, and a few have been given away for free, too. So any pricing tips would be very welcome. The handles are a pain in the ass to make, and would be even harder if I made a cover for them. But they only cost me around $5-$10 to actually make, depending on the style. If I got stain to stain them, it would be easier than making a cover, but it would increase the cost. But charging $35 for the handle after knowing what they cost to make...it boggles the mind. I understand the point is to make a profit, and my time is valuable too, but...it's hard putting value to something.

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Old 07-29-2013, 01:46 PM
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So far I've only sold my harness at cost plus shipping, and a few have been given away for free, too. So any pricing tips would be very welcome. The handles are a pain in the ass to make, and would be even harder if I made a cover for them. But they only cost me around $5-$10 to actually make, depending on the style. If I got stain to stain them, it would be easier than making a cover, but it would increase the cost. But charging $35 for the handle after knowing what they cost to make...it boggles the mind. I understand the point is to make a profit, and my time is valuable too, but...it's hard putting value to something.
You really need to do two things when you price your stuff. Well - three, really.
First you price your materials. Let's say it's $10.
Second you really need to price your time. If you feel guilty over it just pay yourself minimum wage - like $8/hr. I do not estimate my time as minimum wage, but sometimes I spend more time on something than I estimated originally and end up in the whole "wage"-wise.

Then you need to examine the market. If your cost is $10 and it takes you three hours to make one, but the market is flooded with stuff that only costs $25, you have a problem. Either you need to find cheaper materials, get faster/more efficient at making them, or abandon the idea.


Often larger companies charge more for a variety of reasons. You as an individual have far fewer expenses. You don't have to pay insurance for your company, for example. If you stab yourself with a needle or sew through your hand, that sucks, and hopefully you have medical insurance - but it's not the same as when an employee hurts themselves on the job. You don't have a building you have to pay for to house your materials, equipment, and employees. You don't have licensing fees (though you should definitely see if you have to file for a business license in your state. It's free to get one here.) or things like that.

So don't feel like you have to price the same. A lot of people shop on Etsy BECAUSE it's cheaper to buy from a person rather than a company.


Most importantly - don't undersell or undervalue yourself and your work. It's tough as an artist to not do this. I will tell you that often people look at cheap stuff and they believe the price is a comment on the quality. Or that you don't have any confidence in your stuff so aren't worth buying from. Your time and talent as a creator is valuable. Treat it as such.

Since you already have given stuff away for free, of course be prepared to make donations. This weekend I donated $100 worth of stuff to a rescue for them to auction off. They auctioned it all off and got more money for it than I would have made had I sold it all piece by piece - and I got NOTHING for it. There is no law that says you can only have a business for profit. But if you aren't making a profit it's not a business. It's an expensive hobby.
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