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Old 07-17-2013, 11:08 AM
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Zoom, I know Renee hasn't been around much lately, but (if she's up for it), maybe make her aware of this thread and see if she wants to give any first hand experience? I'd love to hear it.
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Old 07-17-2013, 11:21 AM
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I worked for a breeder with them. Do you have any specific questions?
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Old 07-18-2013, 05:38 PM
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What are they like as puppies? If you want them to accept someone, how often do they have to be around that person? How are they to train? What kind of fencing would I need & how tall (our current ten is 4 ft chain link with snake wire on the bottom ... Which is probably not enough fence). There are no people living close to us so I don't have to worry about teasing or anything like that, the property border fence is 5 ft goat / predator fencing & it's solid (checked every day) so even if the dogs is get out of the yard they couldn't get off the property ... The only problem is our property is 70 acres :/.

I don't think they are for me after all... But I still would appreciate learning about them as a breed.

I mostl likely will go with a Rottweiler, a Doberman (both breeds I have either owned of have had experience with) or perhaps another ACD if incsn find a good breeder that is planning a litter in the resonable future.
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Old 07-19-2013, 01:42 AM
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It really depends on the dog as far as accepting someone. For some filas, the answer is NEVER. Others will eventually. And sometimes it depends on their assessment of the individual person.

My fila breeder friend has an adult son who doesn't live with her, but is constantly at her house. Her dogs know him extremely well, and as long as she is home they happily welcome him onto the property. If she's home.

Her two girls will allow him into the house if she's not home. Her male, no. No way. Even though he's known the son since puppyhood, he would eat him alive first because he knows the son doesn't live there and in his mind, has no business being on the property when his owner is not present.

Edit: I wouldn't keep a fila in anything smaller than a 6 foot fence. They're very athletic and could easily clear a 4-5 foot fence. If they really wanted something on the other side of a 6 foot fence, I wouldn't trust it completely either. If/when I'm able to get one, I'm going to have a fence similar to this installed around the yard with a super dense rugosa rose hedge planted on it.



I've also seen them successfully kept in heavy duty chain link. I wouldn't do it personally, but that's because my borzoi managed to bite through a chain link panel once and a determined fila is much stronger than he is.
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Old 07-19-2013, 11:23 AM
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I know they would go for a person on the other side but what about animals? We have goats, donkeys & a horse on pasture, which backs right up to the house yard, would they accept them if introduced from the very start?

The temperament which you said her male had would be the ideal for me IF I decided on one (which is still a long long way, months, maybe longer). Accepting people is fine as long as I am there & I accept them ... If I'm not I want it to be no-go.
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Old 07-19-2013, 01:19 PM
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I know they would go for a person on the other side but what about animals? We have goats, donkeys & a horse on pasture, which backs right up to the house yard, would they accept them if introduced from the very start?

The temperament which you said her male had would be the ideal for me IF I decided on one (which is still a long long way, months, maybe longer). Accepting people is fine as long as I am there & I accept them ... If I'm not I want it to be no-go.
It's a good temperament in theory, but she cannot go on vacation as long as that dog is alive. He can not be boarded. She built a special kennel for him so that if she has to go somewhere overnight unplanned (like the hospital) her son can safely give him food and water until she's back. He does fine at the vet with her there. She muzzles him as a precaution but he's never tried anything. The girls aren't muzzled at the vet, but then she's extremely proactive with her dogs and trains the crap out of them.

He's super stable in public too, because she's there, she trained and socialized the heck out of him, and he's willing to take direction from her.

Not going on vacation ever sounds fine if someone is a homebody and doesn't usually go anywhere... but realistically, even the most introverted introverts don't spend every single night at home for 10+ years.

Filas are livestock guardians and herding dogs (cattle herders). From everything I've heard about them and stock, they will defend their own stock with their lives. They're also hunting dogs.

I really, strongly urge you not to get a fila. Especially with this being your parents' home and traveling back and forth to stay with your fiance. I'd love one, like, last year, but am staying with my parents too and will probably have to rent at some point before owning a home, so am putting it off until then.

As far as herder/guarding breeds, have you researched beaucerons at all? I also looked really heavily into the working black mouth curs and cataloulas, which have a very strong home guard instinct. They're bred to work cattle and hunt, and typically are good with stock if raised around it.
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Romy what are they like with kids? I live the breed but I know I'm not a good fila owner. Just a breed lover.
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Depends on the dog and their exposure to children. Kharma doesn't like them, but then she grew up without kids and sometimes was teased. She isn't aggressive to them though. She'll retreat from the situation and go be by herself if she doesn't want to be around them.

I've heard that it varies when they are raised with kids. They're all pretty much enamored of their own family's children and will tolerate most anything from them. Some times they decide strange children are bad strangers though. They can react very defensively if their kids have friends over and the children bicker or wrestle and the dog thinks their kids are being attacked by the visitors. Then there are a few that decide every child in proximity to them is their property and under their protection.

It was recommended to me that I not get a rescue fila since I have small children. That it sometimes works out, but there's no reason to take the risk when I can just raise one from a puppy with my kids.
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Old 07-19-2013, 05:12 PM
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The temperament which you said her male had would be the ideal for me IF I decided on one (which is still a long long way, months, maybe longer). Accepting people is fine as long as I am there & I accept them ... If I'm not I want it to be no-go.
Oh and I just wanted to clarify. Her girls wouldn't have let anybody aside from her son in the house, and he was over practically every day anyway and engaged in taking care of them. If I showed up, they'd eat me. Even with her right there I am still a stranger to them and they're wary.

A dog like her male would not let your fiance into your home if you were not there. THAT's how serious he was. Any fila would not let a stranger or casual acquaintance in without you there. But there are other breeds like that as well.

Interestingly, I hear the exact same thing about azawakhs. I really wish I could find some breeders within driving distance and meet some in person, because they sound an awful lot like mini filas in sight hound bodies from the way people who own them describe them.
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I don't have a wide range of experience with Filas. I've met two (neutral, didn't pet, didn't really pay attention to) and had another very negative experience with one. So I'm not a breed expert by any means.

I'm not sure why, with my limited knowledge of the breed, this dude had his dog at the park, but whatever. He was there. I guess this was almost two years ago that this happened. During the summer I was at a dog park quite early in the morning (so there was maybe 4 cars in the lot, on a very large park). I was playing fetch with Duke and Boomer, throwing a very large stick (4ft) into the water for them. Not gunna deny, I wasn't paying attention to anything else around me, 'cause I thought I was alone. I swung out the stick to throw it into the water and hit a dog behind me - who promptly scared the sh** out of me and lunged in a growl bark. I jumped back (and raised the stick to whack the dog, i won't deny) Very serious, hard stare that really gave me the chills. I'm positive that the only reason the dog didn't actually make contact is because the owner was on the situation immediately - he called for the dog and grabbed his collar very quickly. Said sorry and hurried off. Yeah, I guess I could be partly to blame because I wasn't paying attention, but just a simple human mistake could turn very serious very quickly.

Also, even though they are completely different breeds, I feel that Tibetan Mastiffs and Filas share similar qualities. Read through Wimble Woofs posts in this thread highlighting her life with 3 guardian dogs. http://www.chazhound.com/forums/show...60#post2097960

Or if you don't want to do that, just this post is a good summary.
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I just want to start off with you heard VERY incorrectly. I would never ever aspire to own an asian line TM after my past 5 years with American lines.

Here is what life with multiple TM's can really be like.
First off, good luck containing them, mine have a welded wire dog run, the same stuff used by rebar companies to put in cement for bridge work. Its not weak, its near impossible to bend by hand and is 1foot by 1 foot squares.
Their run looks like it could easily house a lion and quite frankly it may just be easier to do so.
Now, my 5 year old female has a hate on for the neighbours across the road, it is her goal in life to not only attack one of them but I don't doubt for a second she would go for the kill. Not the kind of thing you want playing in the back of your mind. VERY high liability breed.

In her recent attempts to cause serious harm to what she has perceived as intruders over the years she has chewn through said welded wire busting out all of the teeth on the left side of her face as well as shredded her own cheeks, sliced a good portion of her body once she got the holes big enough to squeeze through (keep in mind this occurred in less than half an hour) wiggled her way out and went across the road to hold the neighbours hostage in their own house, these are people she has been thoroughly introduced to, they come by regularly for fires, bbq's, visits and so on. She is fantastic with them if I am there, if I'm not though, she free thinks and tries anything in her power to get them away from here.
Now, she is tied in her run which has been double fenced so the holes are smaller, a 2 foot ground fence was laid all the way around, as well as a top and the inside has hot wire set up as well as a perimeter. The hot wire is run by the same fencer as the horse fencing which is an 8 joule box rated for 50 miles and only fencing in 5 acres and the dog run.
Sounds like she can't get out right? Nope... she will grab the hot wire with her mouth and pull it down while on, has chewed down 3 of the cedar poles that hold the pen up and tunneled under the 2 foot ground fencing and escaped after breaking the clasp on her chain inside the run.
So next step was, when ever I leave the house for even 5 minutes she was to be crated in the basement in a room with a door.
That will keep the neighbours safe???? Try again.
in 15 minutes one day she managed to completely destroy her wire crate, push the door through the frame enough to squeeze through, run upstairs and chew to the exterior insulation of the north wall and took out half the trim along the window in the process trying to get to them.
I return home from running errands and see a hole in the dry wall and window frame large enough for a toddler to walk through.

Sounds like this dog needed better socialization right?
Well she has been socialized out the wazoo, is a perfect angel with new people she meets as long as I am there.
Sounds like she needs more exercise right?
I don't know how much more she can get, she already is on the dog sled team with the rest of the dogs here and runs a solid 3k a day right now with this weather at an average of 9km/h non stop, in the winter it is easily 8 k a day if not more, goes on bush walks daily in our back field and runs with the other dogs for 3+hours a day and goes for 2 daily road walks.
That is more than the average dog gets in a day

So is that where my nightmare ends? No, not by far, I also have another 3 year old female and a 3 year old male Tsang khyi type. Also american lines but also can not be left unattended. So far he has chewed down a 7 inch diameter live maple tree, dug holes deep enough to bury himself in and he is 140lbs and the size of a young adult black bear, he too has the same desire to escape and is starting to display the same traits as Karma.

This year alone they have been responsible for over 30 of my chickens being killed after they had destroyed the coop, over 10 of our ducks and some of our turkeys. If given half a chance they would try to take out the horses too I know it.
So as long as I am around they are wonderful as you put it cuddly bears, but if I'm not they start to free think and make their own rules.
Lets not forget to mention they are nocturnal barkers, every night, no matter what is around, not overly willing to work with humans, can not even be trusted alone with my hubby who has been a part of their lives since they were puppies. If he goes near Karma she lunges at him, if he drives the lawn tractor near her she lunges at him, if she is loose in the living room with us she lays there staring at him, I won't even leave to go to the bathroom with out taking her with me.
If you don't mind living your life with no one ever coming to your house, never leaving your house with out getting custom made welded crates or pens, cement floored runs with iron fencing and roofing and can handle extreme free thinking independant breeds who could easily out power you and have no qualms about doing so when they see fit, then sure a perfect breed for you.
you can read all the information on the breed you want, much of which seems extreme when reading it but rest assured it is sugar coated, but until you spend any real time in the presence of one both with owner around and with owner not around its very hard to explain what life with a TM can be like.
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