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Old 07-16-2014, 10:22 AM
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Then I watch other threads..discussions about say PRA or elbow dysplasia. Someone that is willing to breed an affected PRA dog if everything else is good. "Don't want to create a genetic bottleneck!" Willing to breed a dog with mildly dysplastic elbows. And a fair OFA rating. But then another thread comes up.. "Would you breed an ACD with floppy ears?" everyone says HELL NO. So...you would breed an affected PRA dog before you would breed one with floppy ears? Makes no sense to me.
But PRA can be bred out by breeding an Affected to a Normal/Clear, and getting all Carrier puppies. The chance of a Carrier manifesting the gene at all, much less to the severity of an Affected dog is quite slim. Gabby is kind of a conundrum. It's been decided that she must have a different form of PRA than we can currently test for.

We talk a lot at work about evaluating the dog, not the xrays. Which is why despite my love affair with OFA, I would rather have a physical evaluation of a dog from a Rehab vet before breeding/purchasing. A dog with hip or elbow dysplasia that's (truly) not symptomatic is less concerning to me than a dog with unspecified pain.

Which is why I fit in at work as well as I do, haha.
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Old 07-16-2014, 11:05 AM
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I'm also going back and forth on breeders. I've honed in on the ones I want and they have been receptive, but I feel very certain some days that I should just go with a rescue dog. Something that's still relatively young but out of the potty training days and has its mature personality, is being fostered so I can see how they do in a home, and most importantly, I could test with Astro and potentially foster and give back, instead of driving to the ends of the earth to pick up an expensive puppy that might not work when it reaches maturity.

It doesn't help that there are a few PetFinder dogs that have been tugging at me for weeks going on months now...I just keep going back to this one hound gal who looks pretty Bracco-ish, but I wouldn't have to pay 2 grand to get her like I would a Bracco pup. And she's been at the rescue for ages, I think she's just too "big hound dog in a sea of other hound dogs" to get noticed. There's also a little spaniel that seems PERFECT, exactly Astro-sized so they'd be evenly matched, friendly to everything, sweet face, has also been at the rescue for awhile for some reason.

I will wind up with a breeder puppy at some point, I'm sure, I'm just not sure it's going to be this next dog.
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Old 07-16-2014, 11:54 AM
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Old 07-16-2014, 01:10 PM
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SpaceMutt- You don't need a breeder dog, you need a Quiddich! Imagine the derp that could fill your house with two of the little buggers.

My vent- A new neighbor just moved in. She came over to introduce herself, and Gambit decided to act like King Hole and scuttle to the back of the apartment and bark like a moron. Gimmick fell on his back and displayed his...er...parts, and Quid attempted to maul her with his Quiddy love. Great first impression boys, just awesome.
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SpaceMutt- You don't need a breeder dog, you need a Quiddich! Imagine the derp that could fill your house with two of the little buggers.
Quid attempted to maul her with his Quiddy love. Great first impression boys, just awesome.
I second SpaceMutt's need of a Quid

Also there is nothing like being mauled by Shar Pei love. It is a daily occurrence at our house!
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I second SpaceMutt's need of a Quid

Also there is nothing like being mauled by Shar Pei love. It is a daily occurrence at our house!
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SpaceMutt- You don't need a breeder dog, you need a Quiddich! Imagine the derp that could fill your house with two of the little buggers.

My vent- A new neighbor just moved in. She came over to introduce herself, and Gambit decided to act like King Hole and scuttle to the back of the apartment and bark like a moron. Gimmick fell on his back and displayed his...er...parts, and Quid attempted to maul her with his Quiddy love. Great first impression boys, just awesome.
Man....Astro spent most of this morning rolling around with his butt in the air making his trademark whale-call noises into the couch cushions. Could the universe even continue to exist if he had another wrinkle to derp with? Wouldn't that break some sort of fundamental law of physics?

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I second SpaceMutt's need of a Quid

Also there is nothing like being mauled by Shar Pei love. It is a daily occurrence at our house!
You're no help!

Edit: You too Julee?!

I admit defeat, I sent a PM about him. If I wind up suffocating to death under a pile of wrinkly dogs vying to be pet, I blame this forum and the enablers that inhabit it.
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Right now I'm sitting here trying to figure out if I can feasibly sneak a puppy into my duplex. I keep trying to justify it by saying I am in the process of buying a house so it doesn't matter. Unfortunately I think the rescue will ask where I live and verify that.

But she's sooooo cute.

Wonder if my landlord/realtor would go for it.
If there is a puppy right now you are interested in, I'd certainly ask. Check with the landlord first. If they okay it, talk to the rescue and explain your situation (I have landlord permission, here's their number so you can check, I'm in the process of purchasing my own home). What's the worst that happens?

As for the breeder/rescue thing, I think it is six of one/half a dozen of the other. I haven't seen an overwhelming amount more of health issues in either. I've seen just as many breeder dogs with issues as rescues (Meg is about the lowest maintenance dog on the planet health wise, other than some dental issues; Gusto's been issue free so far). But I've also known rescues with issues. I don't think "health" would ever help me make the decision in either direction.
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If there is a puppy right now you are interested in, I'd certainly ask. Check with the landlord first. If they okay it, talk to the rescue and explain your situation (I have landlord permission, here's their number so you can check, I'm in the process of purchasing my own home). What's the worst that happens?

As for the breeder/rescue thing, I think it is six of one/half a dozen of the other. I haven't seen an overwhelming amount more of health issues in either. I've seen just as many breeder dogs with issues as rescues (Meg is about the lowest maintenance dog on the planet health wise, other than some dental issues; Gusto's been issue free so far). But I've also known rescues with issues. I don't think "health" would ever help me make the decision in either direction.
Oh god see now I'm actually considering it. Especially since my landlord is my realtor so he's aware of everything.

The worst that happens is they say no and I get my hopes up for nothing.
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I'm on an ACD breeder group on FB and it is very, very interesting to read people's logic in random threads. It gives you a great idea about what they are all about. Most of them are interested in 'bettering' the breed, and they do put thought into their breeding program...but I don't always agree with those thoughts . I know which breeders I would be interested in, in the future and which I wouldn't touch.
There was a breeder on there that had a litter of three puppies, one puppy was supposed to go to one of the Dog Snobs writers. The boy puppies ended up with an inherited clotting disorder. The puppies were euthanized, the parents and grandparents tested to find where it stemmed from, and the dogs that contributed to the mutation were altered and are out of the breeding program. That is just so excellent, and it was great that they put that information forward.
Then I watch other threads..discussions about say PRA or elbow dysplasia. Someone that is willing to breed an affected PRA dog if everything else is good. "Don't want to create a genetic bottleneck!" Willing to breed a dog with mildly dysplastic elbows. And a fair OFA rating. But then another thread comes up.. "Would you breed an ACD with floppy ears?" everyone says HELL NO. So...you would breed an affected PRA dog before you would breed one with floppy ears? Makes no sense to me.
In regards to the genetic clotting issue: Rebecca did a fabulous job of handling that whole situation and was very forthcoming about it all. The whole situation broke her heart. She also breeds dogs with awesome rears, which is super uncommon in the breed. It would not surprise me one bit if my next ACD came from her. I'm not even a member of that group because THE RAGE. Don't even get me started on the general breed FB groups.

As far as the rescue situation goes... I've had opposite luck. I went into a young rescue boy in a 3-month foster situation and he's nothing like they described. So they were either dishonest, or I encouraged behavior I shouldn't have or he had too many changes at one time... I'm not sure what it was but Rider's a damned mess.

I think many people can make a sport rescue prospect go very well (SaraB comes to mind). I don't know that I would actively seek another. And even though it isn't foolproof, genetic health testing is going to screen a lot of crap out of a dog. Just the way it is. I can't see myself going any way other than breeder in the future unless I foster something amazeballs.

Harlow is a BYB bred Boxer. I haven't brought it up to anyone, but she's been having small episodes of head bobbing every once in a while. It's very concerning and I'm pretty sure it is neurological. She also has a tendency to get UTI's on too much protein.

So far Tulsa is everything I could have ever dreamed and fits my exact definition of an ACD for temperament (I'm not looking at her structure right now and need to get her back on stock to re-eval her herding drive ).

Well that was long winded. Just my view.
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