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Old 02-19-2014, 01:57 PM
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Yes, it sounds exactly like a seizure to me.



1. I'd be doing blood work up asap



2. Stop crating him. A friend had a bad incident with her dog a month or two ago who was prone to seizures. I did not get all of the details though others did. Long story short, he was stuck in the crate and he had to be euthanized.

There's no way I can never crate him. He needs to be able to be crated and I do not trust him not crate when no one is home. I can't tether him to something instead because he will wrap himself up in a tether. Plus I can't leave him loose with my cat in the house unattended. How did the dog get stuck in a crate? Like literally stuck in a crate? Wonder if an airline would be safer?

We did blood work up today at the vet. His blood results came back normal and no signs of any toxins which was a concern the vet had.

My vet said he doesn't want to prescribe medication just yet. They want to first get an idea of how frequently he is having seizures and if there are any common denominators before they put him on medicine. My vet asked me to keep a log of every detail regarding his seizure episodes and to call him if another seizure occurs.

I'm hoping this doesn't ever happen again. Unfortunately though this is something that is a worry with this breed and considering I'm pretty positive he probably came from a byb I wouldn't be surprised if his parents weren't health tested.
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Old 02-19-2014, 03:28 PM
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Saw the holistic vet today and asked her about Pepper. She now has "Chinese Herbal Prozac." We're giving it a try and going to see if it helps her. The holistic vet is also looking into some other options and I'm going to check into getting a different food, because there might possibly be a component to the food she's on that doesn't help.

She listened to Auggie's heart, I asked her to be the tie-breaker between my old vet and new vet. She said she'd call it a three. Old vet said 3-4, new vet said it was hard to hear and maybe a 1. She said it's not hard to hear at all, but I asked if maybe it's easier to hear when he's excited, and she said that's definitely possible. He was VERY happy to see her hahaha. He was grunting and whining because he had to wait his turn and was quite unhappy about that. He's definitely not that excited to see anybody else, but we got there and he could hear her voice and he knew, so he got very excited and happy. Silly boy. So I asked about the dental and she said she really wouldn't bother - not because of his heart murmur, but because his teeth are in great shape. He doesn't need it. So... okay. You don't have to tell me twice not to spend money or put my dog under. =P

Baby Pay weighs 20.7 pounds. I think he will be best in the 21-22 range, so if I can get just a bit more weight on him that would be good. I'm just not sure how much more I can put on him. He's still terrible at being able to actually gain weight. It's pretty clear he'll never be able to go in the show ring, I doubt I'll ever be able to get enough weight on him that he'll look like anything more than a dirty little working dog. x_x But it's at least something, he's up from the 19 pounds that horrified the e-vet in Springfield like he was REALLY REALLY UNDERWEIGHT. He's skinny, okay, he just is. That's Payton. He's one of those lucky little dogs. Don't hate him just because you aren't perpetually skinny.
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Old 02-19-2014, 03:38 PM
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I'm pretty positive Joey may have just had a seizure. He was lying in his crate calmly and then all of a sudden I heard a loud thrashing in his crate to the point his crate was rocking. He was making weird noises and he expressed his anal glands in his crate. I got him out of the crate and he stumbled for a minute looking confused and then spent a few minutes pacing back and forth in my room before he went and laid down on one of the dog beds in my room. Does this sound like a seizure?

I'm calling my vet in the morning.

It scares me because seizures are something you have to watch out for in this breed. Considering he probably didn't come from a responsible breeder in the first place I would imagine they probably didn't health test his parents either.

Also my husband said this happened earlier this evening too.
That's terrifying. Is there health-testing for seizures now, though? Or is it just something you assume they don't have if there are no signs?

I hope Joey's okay, Amber. <3
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Old 02-19-2014, 04:03 PM
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My sweet, biddable, loves-to-train-and-snuggle, actually sleeps voluntarily puppy has returned to me after two weeks from hell. Yay.
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Old 02-19-2014, 04:58 PM
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That's terrifying. Is there health-testing for seizures now, though? Or is it just something you assume they don't have if there are no signs?



I hope Joey's okay, Amber. <3

I'm not 100% positive. Maybe someone with a little more knowledge in this department can add input. I don't know if there is a specific test for breeding dogs as far as testing for seizures but since it can be genetic most breeders avoid breeding dogs that show signs of epilepsy. I do know that it seems to be one of the main health issues that pop up in Ibizans health wise and breeders work hard to try and keep it out of their lines.

He has been a bit off today. He derped out a little at the vet but most of the day he has been conked out and when he is awake he's been pretty sullen.
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Old 02-19-2014, 05:05 PM
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No, there is no genetic test for epilepsy. It's a very confusing thing to try to figure out how it's passed on, and there is no line of border collies free of epileptic dogs. Last I heard, they were not at all close to pinpointing genes for it.
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Yeah unfortunately there's no test for epilepsy.

Hope he's doing better.
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Old 02-19-2014, 05:24 PM
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I do know there is a test to check phenobarb levels...if his seizures are related to that.
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There's no way I can never crate him. He needs to be able to be crated and I do not trust him not crate when no one is home. I can't tether him to something instead because he will wrap himself up in a tether. Plus I can't leave him loose with my cat in the house unattended. How did the dog get stuck in a crate? Like literally stuck in a crate? Wonder if an airline would be safer?

We did blood work up today at the vet. His blood results came back normal and no signs of any toxins which was a concern the vet had.

My vet said he doesn't want to prescribe medication just yet. They want to first get an idea of how frequently he is having seizures and if there are any common denominators before they put him on medicine. My vet asked me to keep a log of every detail regarding his seizure episodes and to call him if another seizure occurs.

I'm hoping this doesn't ever happen again. Unfortunately though this is something that is a worry with this breed and considering I'm pretty positive he probably came from a byb I wouldn't be surprised if his parents weren't health tested.
I am unsure, I heard it was a gruesome death, but I did not get all of the details and did not ask out of respect. I heard something about breaking legs, not sure if it happened or was a "this is the only way he would have came out" type thing... He WAS in a wire crate, but after it happened, a lot of dog people got on her case for crating a known epileptic dog at all. I don't know if a vari kennel would make a difference for whatever safety reasons they had. It sounded as though he needed emergency medical attention because of something that happened during it, he was clustering, who knows... and couldn't receive it because he was stuck in the crate. A dog could just as easily get stuck in a vari kennel in that case, once they go stiff. His legs slipped through the crate wire since he went stiff causing him to get stuck, and now that I think about it, vari kennels come apart in two, so I guess I wouldn't see the issue?

Definitely no genetic testing for it... unfortunately most dogs w/ seizures are labelled with idiopathic epilepsy - no real cause for it as far as other medical issues, so all you can do is manage it, with or without meds to control it.

Can you/are you feeding raw? My friend did and it did make a huge difference for her dog, along with a VERY strict routine. The log is a great idea. I am hoping it was just a fluke, but if your SO said he did it earlier as well, it may be something that you will have to manage. Seizures are so scary, I wouldn't wish them upon anyone. I've never had a personal dog with seizures since I was very small, but a lot of dogs that come through the shelters have had them and it's very scary/sad - much like a dog fight in the feeling, really.
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Old 02-19-2014, 06:13 PM
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There's no way I can never crate him. He needs to be able to be crated and I do not trust him not crate when no one is home. I can't tether him to something instead because he will wrap himself up in a tether. Plus I can't leave him loose with my cat in the house unattended. How did the dog get stuck in a crate? Like literally stuck in a crate? Wonder if an airline would be safer?
Would he stay in an ex-pen?
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