Dog Site - Dog Stuff
Dog Forum | Dog Pictures

Go Back   Chazhound Dog Forum > Dog Discussions and Dog Talk Forums > Dogs - General Dog Chat


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #2151  
Old 02-03-2014, 11:52 AM
Laurelin's Avatar
Laurelin Laurelin is offline
I'm All Ears
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Oklahoma
Posts: 29,497
Default

Barn hunt class in March! Whoot! ORT test in May! Double Whoot!
__________________
Mia CGC - (5 year old Papillon)
Summer TG3 TIAD - (10 year old Papillon)
Hank - (approx. 10 month old Spotty Dog)
Reply With Quote
  #2152  
Old 02-03-2014, 12:23 PM
sassafras's Avatar
sassafras sassafras is offline
such sights to show you
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Minnesota
Posts: 5,734
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanie View Post
Judgmental Judy time: I tend to think a large part of the problem IS that they aren't good trainers. So they have trouble and fixing it isn't within their toolbox, so instead they start over and hope they don't come across the problem again (or hope they come across a problem that is within their toolbox.)
I think this really hits the nail on the head for me with some of the revolving doors I've seen. Like... (general) your weaknesses aren't your dog's fault. Work through it, get help if you need to, but if you can't or won't work through it... I don't know. It's human nature for different people to enjoy the same activity in different ways or for different aspects, but at the same time, these are games and dogs are living beings. I struggle between being super judgmental and understanding.

This kind of thing has actually been on my mind a lot this weekend. It's become clear to me that if I want to continue entering skijor races, even for fun, I'm going to have to start training with a club because Squash has shown me that I can't continue to practice in isolation 99% of the time and then show up for a big event. But I don't particularly LIKE training my sport with other people, it's one of my escapes from all the ick in the world. So, I have some choices to make moving forward. But they are "here's what's wrong with my training" choices, not "here's what's wrong with Squash would another dog be better" choices.... and at least I can participate in my sport of choice with or without events and competitions, so it's a different ball game.
__________________

Reply With Quote
  #2153  
Old 02-03-2014, 12:31 PM
Red Chrome's Avatar
Red Chrome Red Chrome is offline
Top Dog
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 1,568
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Airn View Post
I'm not sure I'll ever be able to grasp the whole "get a new dog because current dog can't do x, y, z". Maybe from a working standpoint, but we're talking about sporting dogs here, not working. And even then... meh.

It's a dog. It's not like replacing your car. Or your computer. Or whatever hobby you have. It's a living animal that has feelings.

I don't know. I feel like your main priority when getting a dog is because you...want a dog. Not because you want to do agility or rally or whatever. That's a bonus, not a requirement.

Besides, the dog still has to live with you. Mals tend to be referenced often here when we talk about sporting dogs. This breed tends to be 'best' in bite-work but most people who have Mals wouldn't recommend the 'average' person to own them. So, yeah, you might get the best dog ever at flyball but what if it's a total nutso at home? I would rather have a decent-at-flyball but perfect-at-home than the opposite.

Seems like a mix of "I want what I want" and the "Grass is always greener on the other side".

Maybe I just haven't seen it explained well.
But if your main priority is competing with a dog in whatever sport, you need to stack the deck in your favor. However, if a puppy doesn't cut it in the end, you need to be realistic about what to do.

I personally only have so much time in my day and so much money in my bank account and I can not afford a non-working dog to live here. Every dog that lives in my house has a purpose for being here, if they can't fill that purpose, then I have to decide if I want "just a pet". I personally don't, so I'll opt to rehome should the time come to choose. I've never had to rehome a dog before and hope to never have to. I'm super picky about where the dogs come from when looking for a new working prospect. My dogs are nuts at home and I am ok with that, I'd rather they be nuts at home and amazing on the field than ok at both.

Once you become so invested in a sport, monetarily, emotionally and physically, you have a better understanding of things. Sports are competitive and supposed to be. Dog sports are still highly competitive and you have to be honest with yourself about things if you want to succeed. I have so much time, money, effort and heart in IPO that I have to be careful when looking or breeding for a new working prospect, no kennel blindness or cute puppy syndrome is allowed.
__________________
Osyrius SilverChrome GTOVonMarionHaus-OFA H/E DM Free CGC DDJ RN BH
WBBs BleauChrome Lady of TheCopa-CGC STARR Naughty RockStar
The BlackChrome Executioner VonMarionHaus-Puppy Terrorist
The OldMan Hobie-CGC Rotten Old Dog 11/14/99-01/08/2013
Talulajhs RedChrome Kahpone-CGC TT BH TDI 10/31/04-06/07/10.
Reply With Quote
  #2154  
Old 02-03-2014, 01:47 PM
BostonBanker's Avatar
BostonBanker BostonBanker is offline
Top Dog
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Vermont
Posts: 8,249
Default

Quote:
Maybe I'm not travelling in the right circles, but I've never known anyone to give up a potential sports prospect dog in favour of another more promising one. I feel like it's one of those old wives' tales that people who are doing agilliy/flyball/whatever The Right Way like to talk about behind closed doors.

More often I see people working to improve their sports dog's anxiety issues, fear issues, control issues, speed issues, etc.
I really only know one person like this, and the truth is - I think s/he is a piece of trash who goes through life that way. And as Beanie said - I think a huge part of it is "I can't train this so it must be broken".

It isn't something I am personally ever comfortable with, but if the dog is appropriate re-homed, I'm also not going to knock anyone for it happening once or twice over the course of their lives.

When it happens 5 times in a couple of years, I'm going to assume you can't train worth crap.
__________________

Reply With Quote
  #2155  
Old 02-03-2014, 02:14 PM
TuffStuff's Avatar
TuffStuff TuffStuff is offline
Twin 1
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Texas
Posts: 395
Default

I think at that point you're saying the sport is more important than the dog. I get it (to some extent) for working dogs. LE specifically, but even SAR like I do. When it takes years and a ridiculous amount of money to certify, and you're doing that to serve the community and save lives (or, in my case, bring peace to families and help convict those responsible for the deaths), then I get having to give up a dog that didn't work out because you only have so much time, space, and money. And letting a companion live out their days with you can prevent you from doing your job. But, even then, it should be hard. It should be absolutely heartbreaking. Some people manage to do it. Others don't. But the thought of doing that for a sport, albeit one you're very invested in, just doesn't sit right with me. Because at the end of the day, unless your livelihood depends on it, no matter how competitive, driven or immersed you are, it's still a sport, it's still a game and one that you are picking over your dog.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #2156  
Old 02-03-2014, 02:21 PM
Laurelin's Avatar
Laurelin Laurelin is offline
I'm All Ears
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Oklahoma
Posts: 29,497
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Laurelin View Post
Barn hunt class in March! Whoot! ORT test in May! Double Whoot!
Also, just signed up for Denise Fenzi Academy's NW220 class. We are going to kill this ORT. lol

Too bad there's no NW1 trials within 11 hours of me scheduled this year so far....

Anyone in colorado? May be making a nosework trial trip this summer.
__________________
Mia CGC - (5 year old Papillon)
Summer TG3 TIAD - (10 year old Papillon)
Hank - (approx. 10 month old Spotty Dog)
Reply With Quote
  #2157  
Old 02-03-2014, 02:28 PM
DJEtzel's Avatar
DJEtzel DJEtzel is offline
Top Dog
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Kalamazoo, MI
Posts: 2,658
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by BostonBanker View Post
When it happens 5 times in a couple of years, I'm going to assume you can't train worth crap.
Thank you.
__________________

Red Dog's Reconnaissance Man CGC CL1-R CL1-H CL1-F CL1-S USJ
General Patton Vom Winter Storm
Reply With Quote
  #2158  
Old 02-03-2014, 02:34 PM
Elrohwen's Avatar
Elrohwen Elrohwen is offline
Top Dog
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Hudson Valley, NY
Posts: 1,017
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Laurelin View Post
Also, just signed up for Denise Fenzi Academy's NW220 class. We are going to kill this ORT. lol
I need updates on this class!
__________________

Watson - Ch. Truepenny Olympic Triumph | Welsh Springer Spaniel | DOB 8.2.12
Reply With Quote
  #2159  
Old 02-03-2014, 02:36 PM
Laurelin's Avatar
Laurelin Laurelin is offline
I'm All Ears
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Oklahoma
Posts: 29,497
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Elrohwen View Post
I need updates on this class!
Thank you soooo much for telling me about it! Seriously! I'm excited!
__________________
Mia CGC - (5 year old Papillon)
Summer TG3 TIAD - (10 year old Papillon)
Hank - (approx. 10 month old Spotty Dog)
Reply With Quote
  #2160  
Old 02-03-2014, 02:49 PM
Elrohwen's Avatar
Elrohwen Elrohwen is offline
Top Dog
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Hudson Valley, NY
Posts: 1,017
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Laurelin View Post
Thank you soooo much for telling me about it! Seriously! I'm excited!
I'm kind of disappointed I can't take it, but I need to really devote myself to my one gold class to get my money's worth. I really hope they offer it again before the end of the year.

I'll live vicariously through you, Mia, and Summer!
__________________

Watson - Ch. Truepenny Olympic Triumph | Welsh Springer Spaniel | DOB 8.2.12
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:58 PM.


1997-2013 Chazhound Dog Site