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Old 05-16-2013, 12:22 PM
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OTOH I probably wouldn't have high energy dogs if them being high energy bothered me, so it's not like I have this OMG I HAVE TO TIRE THEM OUT SO THEY WILL LEAVE ME ALONE type of thing going on. So I think there's an element of how much, uh, pestering? you can deal with involved.
Totally this.

I do the stuff with the dogs because I enjoy it. I mean, they still need it but I wouldn't own these dogs if them being 'go go go' was something that annoyed me. And I don't think I would enjoy it if I worked them into the ground and they were too tired to do anything, then I would be poking at them. Luckily that hasn't happened yet.

As far as the exercise building endurance thing, I agree with it but at the same time I think it's a fine line to be walked. If you're only exercising your dogs so they'll go be tired and leave you alone you can really get into a bad circle as endurance builds and they require more and more to "go away and leave me alone" and soon you're going to have an Olympic athlete who doesn't know how to settle still.

But at the same time I do train and work them to build their stamina because I want them to be physically fit enough to go all day doing anything and everything without hurting themselves. But, that also means you need to build an off switch and not reinforce for busyness at home.

I feel like people think it's one or the other, either they are trying to tire their dog out to the brink of collapse or they think they can't condition them because then they'll need it all the time. (Not necessarily anyone here! Just in general).

But I'm someone that flips around a lot. One day they'll get nothing because I don't feel like doing anything and they need to be ok with that. The next day we might do a ten mile bike ride with lots of swimming and hiking in the middle and they need to be up for that too.
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Old 05-16-2013, 12:28 PM
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That said, my dogs don't have to be truly tired to be satisfied.
This.

But yeah, there is never a moment that I stand up and don't have 6 eyes right there, ready to go wherever. Even if it is only the bathroom.

I'd say depending on the intensity of the exercise 30-60 minutes a day makes mine liveable. Swimming, fetching uphill, biking, treadmill, hiking, training, clicker stuff.

I will say that playing with each other might take the edge off, but in no way do they get enough stimulation from that. It doesn't make them tired at all.

For my guys there has to be a decent mix of exercise and mental challenge. Just plain old fetching can go on for hours and when we go inside after they cool off it's like we really didn't do much. Swimming (and fetching) tires them out better, hiking and fetching on "breaks" helps. Biking will tire them out, I think it's a combo of the longer distance and them having to pay attention to speed, turns, and a change of scenery. Treadmill just takes the edge off and gives me the ability to control how long and how fast they run.
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Old 05-16-2013, 12:31 PM
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Bodhi used to go, go, go, go and never tire. She's have a 10 min nap and be ready to walk again if I wanted.

Her record is almost 24hrs playing fetch with different people. We were at a party, outdoor party, and I was up all night, and she was giving the ball to whoever would throw it. She literally passed out on me the next afternoon when she eventually stopped

Now.... She is still 100x fitter and more active than a lot of dogs. But she's not in the best shape as she's been, as we've had a very sedate winter. And she will play hard for a bit then fancy a little lie down and pant she's also 8 this summer too, so not doing bad.

By the end of the summer, I expect her to be back to better fitness, but she will never be like she was a few years back I don't expect!!

Fred..... Who knows?! He's still a puppy, so isn't even at full capacity fitness wise, muscle wise etc etc etc etc. and he's on lead walks only, so I have nooooooooo idea what his stamina is like.

I'm looking forward to finding out though I like to be able to beast the dogs lol I expect he will take a lot to tire when he's eventually up to full strength.
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Old 05-16-2013, 04:41 PM
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30-45 mins makes Jackson liveable. Of course there are some days where he doesn't even get that.... but I make him tolerate. Like today I came home from work and just was SO tired. I had been planning on going to the park but just couldn't even get myself to do, so I laid down and fell asleep for 4 hours (I just woke an hour ago lol) and now he's of course pacing around a bit and he keeps looking at me while I just sat down on the computer and giving a little whine. I may do a little 'trick session' with him in a few mins. But I don't feel so guilty since yesterday he had quite a bit. I don't think I could do more than 2 days in a row of days like today though without him being annoying.
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Old 05-17-2013, 08:33 AM
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Im terribly lazy, and I got lucky with my older girl that shes lazy too. shes perfectly content to do nothing and be a spoiled couch Queen, or have a 10 minute zoomie around the yard a couple times a week.

her granddaughter, on the other hand, is a gamedog throwback. There is no Off. There is just Monkey. And what Monkey like is GO GO GO. Thank god for bikes and balls. I dont really push her hard because shes 10 months old, almost 11 months, but it takes a lot to wear her out. So far Iv gotten bored after an hour of nonstop ball-throwing and she hasent wanted to quit

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But I'm someone that flips around a lot. One day they'll get nothing because I don't feel like doing anything and they need to be ok with that. The next day we might do a ten mile bike ride with lots of swimming and hiking in the middle and they need to be up for that too.
^That, totally. I can be insanely lazy some days and crazy active the next.

Both Aeri and Kes have done 10+ mile hikes with packs that had them very chill for several hours, but not a whole lot more chill than they are in the house usually tbh. I can't think of a time with any of the dogs where they were so tired they stopped on their own, but they do flop once it's time to go home.

Flirt pole will give me flat on the floor dogs quickly, but they bounce back quickly, too. I can get a dog to flat on the floor and yet an hour later get nice obedience work from them for example.

It's funny to me that my so called "high energy" dogs all are lumps in the house even with no exercise of consequence for days. It's awesome.
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Old 05-17-2013, 09:09 AM
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It's funny to me that my so called "high energy" dogs all are lumps in the house even with no exercise of consequence for days. It's awesome.
Yeah me too. Blossom is really good in the house, honestly. She is so wound up and intense at bite work that I consistently get asked or have comments made about her behavior in the house from other club members, LOL. "Is she hard to live with?" comes up a lot. But it's just that when she's on, she's on... and when she's off, she chills on the couch like right now.

Keeva is honestly more difficult in many ways. When she's bored she's scary, she scales the dining room table and will demand bark at you for entertainment, etc.

If we go for more than like... 2-3 days without entertainment, though, I start to get into trouble lol. They just get... antsy. Squabbles are more likely, garbage-raiding attempts double, they obsess over guarding the house, etc.
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Mia has just now this last year gotten to where she's really adaptable. For the first two years she did not stop moving. She would sleep until about five am and then start hitting me to get up. For those two years we pretty much religiously did two hours off leash playing every single day. The second year we did agility class on top of that.

Nowadays she's a lot easier to live with but she's still as quick to go. We've done days of them hanging out at a trial then going to the park. Basically dusk to dawn and they keep up well. But this week since summer is on rest I haven't done much at all. Mia's spent an hour or so outside and run around part of that. We've done a little training. Last night we played ball for 30 mins (Mia playing ball means she's going the entire time like a madman). The ball actually ramped her up MORE and it was harder for her to settle. But she will just settle some without much now. About 5 pm every day though you can hear her start sighing and wanting me to do something with her.

I do appreciate the settling but to be honest I sometimes miss the franticness of her youth. She is still crazy and funny but it was very entertaining watching her grow up. Maybe I'm just insane, I'm not sure. I sometimes miss those no off switch days.
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For me I just don't mind a busy dog. I find the idea that dogs should be asleep when you're not doing stuff with them kind of odd/dull.
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Old 05-17-2013, 09:17 AM
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For me I just don't mind a busy dog. I find the idea that dogs should be asleep when you're not doing stuff with them kind of odd/dull.
Oh, my dogs certainly aren't always asleep when we're not doing anything. Right now Blossom is wandering around, glancing out the window, picking up an antler, putting it down, repeat. She's not pacing or panting. I consider her behavior appropriate and would not label her "busy" for wandering casually around the house. Keeva is sleeping but that's because she doesn't like mornings, LOL.

I'm pretty much happy if they can find something to do that doesn't require significant involvement from me, and aren't pacing, barking, fighting, or destroying something. Around my house we play a lot of antler/marrow bone/kong toy shuffle, where they circulate through different low value chews, lol.
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