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Old 05-12-2013, 06:53 PM
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I do agree with this. It's a complicated issue. When I think about it practically, it's hard to justify spending money on one dog meaning others can't be rescued. However, haven't you (general you, because I think a lot of people have) ever known (of) a rescue dog that came in injured or ill and needed a lot of work and love? Didn't you root for that dog to get better? Didn't you think that life was worth saving?
I know some people who would consider it a waste of resources to go to the moon and back for my OWN dog, which I absolutely would.
Honestly when the SPCA here pours thousands of dollars into a single dog that got kicked in the head by a deer it pisses me off, because they are spending valuable money to save that one dog.

Right now they are being evicted by the city out of their location because they decided they didn't want to run animal control anymore. WTF did they THINK was going to happen, did they really think the city was going to build new facilities to run animal control out of, and continue to rent to the SPCA? How does the city justify that? Had the SPCA not spent the multiple thousands to save five dogs they could perhaps have bought their own place and moved and not had to worry about it.

There are people outraged because the cit is taking their spot back, but the SPCA put themselves into this position, IMO.
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Old 05-12-2013, 06:53 PM
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"A 'No Kill' shelter is an animal shelter that does not euthanize animals who can be adopted or when the shelter is full, reserving euthanasia for animals who are terminally ill or considered dangerous."

That is what wiki gives as a definition of no-kill.

That's a pretty good policy IMO... "can be adopted" is a bit subjective though. Some people would say, "well, he's not a totally rabid monster, he's healthy... he's adoptable." I would say if the dog is so horribly suited to be a pet for whatever reason (SSA, plethora of heath issues, etc) that no one will adopt him for years and years... then perhaps he should be put down and you should help a different dog. I can't see the sense in pouring resources into a dog that no one wants as their pet.
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Old 05-12-2013, 06:58 PM
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I do not agree with no kill shelters at all, it isn't fair to the dogs.
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Old 05-12-2013, 07:12 PM
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Honestly when the SPCA here pours thousands of dollars into a single dog that got kicked in the head by a deer it pisses me off, because they are spending valuable money to save that one dog.

Right now they are being evicted by the city out of their location because they decided they didn't want to run animal control anymore. WTF did they THINK was going to happen, did they really think the city was going to build new facilities to run animal control out of, and continue to rent to the SPCA? How does the city justify that? Had the SPCA not spent the multiple thousands to save five dogs they could perhaps have bought their own place and moved and not had to worry about it.

There are people outraged because the cit is taking their spot back, but the SPCA put themselves into this position, IMO.
. . .Okay? I said twice that I see your viewpoint (though not about the whole eviction thing; I don't think that's happened here).


The whole thing that makes it difficult is that a dog's life is worth saving- but often it comes at the expense of even more dogs' lives. It's much harder to be objective when you know that dog, or when an organization is showing a dog in horrible condition and begging for donations to save it.
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Old 05-12-2013, 07:16 PM
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That's a pretty good policy IMO... "can be adopted" is a bit subjective though. Some people would say, "well, he's not a totally rabid monster, he's healthy... he's adoptable." I would say if the dog is so horribly suited to be a pet for whatever reason (SSA, plethora of heath issues, etc) that no one will adopt him for years and years... then perhaps he should be put down and you should help a different dog. I can't see the sense in pouring resources into a dog that no one wants as their pet.
This 100% it's not just one adoptable dog that its taking a spot from, it's several, in reality.

Here the SPCA is soooo full that one can not even drop their dog off, even of they are willing to pay the fee, thus many dogs, and even more cats are left in kennels at night by the doors, or just let loose to fend, die or with luck be picked up. Unfortunately there is no reason for places to be pet friendly here, there are so many people looking for rentals that finding pet friendly housing is something that most people can't find or afford.
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Old 05-12-2013, 07:23 PM
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This 100% it's not just one adoptable dog that its taking a spot from, it's several, in reality.

Here the SPCA is soooo full that one can not even drop their dog off, even of they are willing to pay the fee, thus many dogs, and even more cats are left in kennels at night by the doors, or just let loose to fend, die or with luck be picked up. Unfortunately there is no reason for places to be pet friendly here, there are so many people looking for rentals that finding pet friendly housing is something that most people can't find or afford.
Huh! That's weird. Last time I was at the Vancouver SPCA, there were so many empty runs, right now it seems they have a whopping 13 dogs. And the fact that they charge $300 for a normal grown dog makes me think they aren't exactly desperate for adoptions.

Fort Mac - Vancouver isn't so long a trip, makes me wonder why dogs aren't brought down.
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Cape Breton SPCA is SO full it is horrifying. It's also run awfully.. so there's that, too. I absolutely HATE the SPCA (locally ..don't know anything about it off-island) and it drives me bonkers to see the way they use their limited resources.
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Old 05-12-2013, 07:49 PM
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I'm in Fort McMurray, I have never seen an empty run here, ever, some dogs are doubled up even. They are the only thing in town, there is a rescue, SCARS, that operates 5ish hours south, but I have never seen them even come up here for adoption events so I don't know if they come up here.
Here's a link to the story:
http://www.fortmcmurraytoday.com/201...ed-to-relocate

And what they had to say on their Facebook page:
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.p...07296965992025
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For some reason I lost half of my reply. I have 2 additional points.
1- Quiddiot is fostered through a low kill shelter with no open door policy. AC is open door, and the shelter picks and chooses from there. Its an evil neccessity when you do 1500 adoptions a year and 6000 animals come up homless. I have no problem with this because everyone is upfront about it.
2- Gambit came from a strictly no-kill shelter. He was there 6 months. When I adopted him, he could not walk on a leash, had never worn a collar, had never felt grass since being brought in, and had spent 24 hours a day in a 10x10 run with 3 brothers. Being in a no- kill served no purpose to him, because he was a number not a dog. They also knowingly adopted out a hybrid animal to someone who was totally unprepared, just to get him moved. Its unfair to all involved
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For some reason I lost half of my reply. I have 2 additional points.
1- Quiddiot is fostered through a low kill shelter with no open door policy. AC is open door, and the shelter picks and chooses from there. Its an evil neccessity when you do 1500 adoptions a year and 6000 animals come up homless. I have no problem with this because everyone is upfront about it.
2- Gambit came from a strictly no-kill shelter. He was there 6 months. When I adopted him, he could not walk on a leash, had never worn a collar, had never felt grass since being brought in, and had spent 24 hours a day in a 10x10 run with 3 brothers. Being in a no- kill served no purpose to him, because he was a number not a dog. They also knowingly adopted out a hybrid animal to someone who was totally unprepared, just to get him moved. Its unfair to all involved
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