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Old 05-12-2013, 08:37 PM
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Legally a rescue cannot take him. Also if Amber rehomes him and he bites someone, she would most likely be liable. A dog bite lawsuit could (and would) bring total financial ruin on the family. There would even be a risk of jail time.

I totally agree that Bamm has serious issues, an I applaud Amber for dealing with it for so long. She really needs to be commended for it. However, rehoming him has the potential to be more damaging to her family than even keeping him would be.

I work in rescue. We have this situation pop up all the time... Probably more than we should. A little girl in my town was killed by a dog a few weeks ago. The legalities of rehoming a dog with a bite history are in the forefront of my mind right now.

The feasible options are keep him or euth him. I wouldn't fault amber for either one. Tough decision? Absolutely. But as someone who has seen firsthand the legal issues... I cannot in good conscience recommend to Amber ( who I do consider a friend) to keep rehoming as an option.
Why can't a rescue take him legally?
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Old 05-12-2013, 08:45 PM
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Why can't a rescue take him legally?
Generally if a rescue adopts out a dog that they know has a serious bite history, the rescue can be held liable in the event of any future incidents. For example... Fido bites a neighbor and the neighbor needs stitches. Fido's owner turns dog over to rescue, and tells the rescue about the bite. He rescue adopts Fido out to a family. Fido bites a visitor, resulting in a ER visit. The rescue could potentially be held liable.

So it would be in the best interests of the rescue to not take in a dog that has bitten. Rescues generally do not set themselves up for financial ruin and criminal charges.
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Legally a rescue cannot take him. Also if Amber rehomes him and he bites someone, she would most likely be liable. A dog bite lawsuit could (and would) bring total financial ruin on the family. There would even be a risk of jail time.

I totally agree that Bamm has serious issues, an I applaud Amber for dealing with it for so long. She really needs to be commended for it. However, rehoming him has the potential to be more damaging to her family than even keeping him would be.

I work in rescue. We have this situation pop up all the time... Probably more than we should. A little girl in my town was killed by a dog a few weeks ago. The legalities of rehoming a dog with a bite history are in the forefront of my mind right now.

The feasible options are keep him or euth him. I wouldn't fault amber for either one. Tough decision? Absolutely. But as someone who has seen firsthand the legal issues... I cannot in good conscience recommend to Amber ( who I do consider a friend) to keep rehoming as an option.
There are rescues and sanctuaries out there that will take dogs like Bamm. My cousin had a dog with similar issues that was placed with one. I don't know the name of it, but they do exist. That's where I'd start.
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Old 05-12-2013, 08:54 PM
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There are rescues and sanctuaries out there that will take dogs like Bamm. My cousin had a dog with similar issues that was placed with one. I don't know the name of it, but they do exist. That's where I'd start.
Yes, this. Just because it is the rescue's best interest not to take them or adopt them out, doesn't mean they can't legally or won't. I worked at a sanctuary that did not euthanize whatsoever (unless nothing could be done to save the dog) and they take dogs like Bamm and adopt any dog out that can be safely adopted out, regardless of bite history.
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Yes, this. Just because it is the rescue's best interest not to take them or adopt them out, doesn't mean they can't legally or won't. I worked at a sanctuary that did not euthanize whatsoever (unless nothing could be done to save the dog) and they take dogs like Bamm and adopt any dog out that can be safely adopted out, regardless of bite history.
IMO, as they should. So much can be done to properly train, house, manage dogs with bite histories.

Dogs bite, it happens, its up to us to use our, what should be more advanced, brains to better handle these creatures we own. Not all dogs are suited for all homes and lifestyles and as always there are exceptions but a bite alone, ambiguous as that label is, should not preclude a dog from a second chance at life.

I trust each owner to make the right choice for their dog and I do respect those who put down dogs they cannot handle for one reason or another. That being said I would love to see a run down of each and every situation that has happened with Bamm which has given him the label of "not fixable" and "not safe to live with". I really wonder if there is something to be seen that is being missed, this is the job of the behaviorist really but I'm intrigued.
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Old 05-12-2013, 09:19 PM
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But if was your dog, and he did end up biting and seriously injuring a child or adult how would you feel? Personally I would feel like I failed that dog by allowing others to put him in a situation that allowed that to happen.
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Old 05-12-2013, 09:33 PM
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But if was your dog, and he did end up biting and seriously injuring a child or adult how would you feel? Personally I would feel like I failed that dog by allowing others to put him in a situation that allowed that to happen.
I would question what the new owners did to fail at management.

Arnold bit me when I flanked him while he was fence fighting.

Sloan bit Denis yesterday while frustrated and held back from the sleeve.

Backup bit Denis when he reached his hand in the car without making himself known before.

Shamoo nailed me when trying to grab a tug and again when trying to get away from a dog fight.

Bites happen, I do not believe they are cut and dry. I have been bitten by several dogs at work, several fosters, several of my own dogs. The only key factors are there were dogs and mismanagement involved. There are some dogs out there that are so dangerous that no management is fool proof enough to protect society around them, which is why I would be fascinated for a timeline or Bamms life, but there are few dogs like that and few dogs that you cannot provoke a bite in one way or another. The majority of dogs exist in the will likely bite with at level at some point in their life, it's the owners responsibility to prevent or lessen the severity of this probability.
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I would question what the new owners did to fail at management.

Arnold bit me when I flanked him while he was fence fighting.

Sloan bit Denis yesterday while frustrated and held back from the sleeve.

Backup bit Denis when he reached his hand in the car without making himself known before.

Shamoo nailed me when trying to grab a tug and again when trying to get away from a dog fight.

Bites happen, I do not believe they are cut and dry. I have been bitten by several dogs at work, several fosters, several of my own dogs. The only key factors are there were dogs and mismanagement involved. There are some dogs out there that are so dangerous that no management is fool proof enough to protect society around them, which is why I would be fascinated for a timeline or Bamms life, but there are few dogs like that and few dogs that you cannot provoke a bite in one way or another. The majority of dogs exist in the will likely bite with at level at some point in their life, it's the owners responsibility to prevent or lessen the severity of this probability.
This is true.
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Old 05-12-2013, 09:41 PM
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I agree it is true, for me it wouldn't matter, *I still failed to protect the dog I agreed to take care off and I would not be ok with it, no matter the circumstances. This is only for dogs that have been known to bite. My current dogs one would have to punch hard for one of them to cause any serious damage, none have ever so much as snapped at us for any reason, let alone bitten one of us.
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Old 05-12-2013, 09:47 PM
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Not going to say much as most has already been said, but I had to put in my two cents on the rescue/sanctuary idea.

IMO there are VERY few rescues/sanctuaries that keep dogs with issues for years that I would consider more humane than euthanasia with the dog's owner present. Sure, the dog's physical needs are met, but if they can't be safely handled by volunteers and they have underlying anxiety issues, long term confinement can be mentally hellacious for these dogs.
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