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Old 05-14-2013, 07:37 AM
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...Could the problem be something like feeding him too much?...
Absolutely. That's what happened with my Lab when he was ready to go from "puppy portions" to adult. I did what Beanine suggested above (fast for 24 hours, chicken & rice for a few days), then slowly re-introduced his kibble.

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...He was a self feeder but obviously did not self-regulate like all my other dogs have. I am measuring now but its so hard to know how much to give because the amounts on the food bags are too much.
I've never fed the amount of food recommended on the bags. It's always been way too much food for any of my dogs. At 73 pounds, I'd start with a cup of food, twice a day. You can always adjust up or down to keep him at a good weight, just do so gradualy (like 1/4 cup at a time). Two cups a day may not sound like a lot, but that's what kept my 75 pound Lab mix at a good weight (it didn't seem to matter what food I was feeding). Our current Lab needs 2 1/2 cups a day to maintain his weight (75 pounds also).

Oh, and for what it's worth, our current Lab got the runs from TOTW. Even after a slow transition. There's just something about it that doesn't agree with him.
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Old 05-14-2013, 01:37 PM
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I repeat my advice to fast this dog for at least 24 hours. Switching him to a different food abruptly isn't going to help.

Chicken and rice in a crock pot is easy and very cheap as well. A bland diet can help illuminate things.

Nutro is not that great of a food and was involved in the massive melamine recall in 2007. You could do worse but you can certainly do better as well.
I fed Nutro to Auggie when he was a puppy. When I switched to Canidae it cut my feeding costs in half. If you're worried about cost, especially in the long term, I don't think Nutro is a good idea.

High Prairie is TOTW's venison and bison variety. However the ingredient list is going to be quite a bit different from Nutro. If he doesn't do well on Nutro that doesn't mean the High Prairie TOTW won't be fine.

If you're really concerned about finances, going out and buying different food after different food after different food, switching them around rapidly and not giving his stomach time to adjust, and not fasting him or trying a cheap bland diet isn't going to help. You're wasting money buying a bunch of different bags of food.
You’re right about Nutro Venison and Sweet Potato not being a good food, being about 50% carbohydrates.
The main ingredient in this stuff is actually starch (three of the first four ingredients are starches) with only one meat source. Also contains dried beet pulp which is a cheap, useless filler.

All kibble is inferior to raw or canned, but if feeding kibble Orijen Puppy is best by far. Up to 13 meat sources and only 20% carbohydrates. Roger Biduk
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Old 05-15-2013, 01:07 PM
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He has been eating nothing but Nutro Venison for Sensitive Stomachs for a few days, and yesterday I added some pumpkin to his dinner and then breakfast today. I noticed an immediate improvement last night and again today. I think his problem is poultry so I am going to stick with Nutro Venison for now (also ordered some Perfect Form which feed store recommended). TOTW has a venison based food which I may eventually switch to since people seem to like the brand better and the big bags are less expensive than Nutro. For now I am keeping things status quo and enjoying my non gassy dog whose poop I can actually clean up! Meanwhile, my other dog, who can eat anything, is enjoying the Blue Buffalo that didn't agree with my sensitive dog. Any food changes for her is like yelling "BUFFET"!
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Old 05-15-2013, 04:14 PM
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FWIW, I'm not a fan of Nutro or TOTW.

Google Nutro Consumer Affairs. Check out Diamond recalls. But it's just what you're comfortable with.

With that said, I'm glad you seem to have got his tummy under control and I'd definitely stick with what is working for a while. I don't know why you'd switch to TOTW after though. It's not exactly a 'sensitive stomach' food and while I'm sure lots of dogs do well on it, it sounds like your guy needs less ingredients.

Also, maybe think about going with something a little "less holistic" if you will. Sometimes these foods bring about more problems than they fix, depending. Blue Buffalo is a big culprit of people complaining of GI problems with their dogs.

If/when you want to switch from Nutro, look at some Annamaet formulas. Eukanuba has a Vension formula as well that's not bad (if you're okay with P&G owning them). Also, Regal Pet Foods, Verus and Precise have some simple formulas, all great brands/companies.

I personally have had my dog do well on Acana Singles (Duck & Pear). He doesn't really have a sensitive stomach but seems to do better on less complicated ingredient panels and this food has always worked him best.
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Old 05-15-2013, 06:12 PM
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Up to 13 meat sources

13 meat sources is a pretty terrible idea for a dog with possible food allergies/sensitivities. ONE is all we want.
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Old 05-18-2013, 01:03 PM
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Which food has 13 meat sources?

Dog is still doing OK on Nutro Venison with pumpkin. Yesterday I added some Perfect Form suppplement for the first time. It worked well but my dog HATED it. He only ate because that was all he could eat but he looked miserable, watching the other dog enjoy her dinner without the Perfect Form paste. I can definitely see that he may lose some weight on it since he didn't make the clean plate club as usual. He wasn't crazy about pumpkin either but I can definitely tell he hates Perfect Form. The ingredients are very simple and include slippery elm (an herb people take for IBS), banana, pumpkin seed and fennel. I am wondering if I can just give him the pumpkin and buy some slippery elm in pill form and sneak it to him in some wet food. I have no idea how much to give him but it was sad seeing him eat and look miserable, even if his poop was excellent.
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Old 05-18-2013, 03:02 PM
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I have fed Canidae All Life Stages for 15 years, starting with a dog who couldn't eat corn, wheat or soy. One of my little dogs lived to 17 1/2, and the senstive tummy dog (Shepard mix) made it to 15 1/2 on Canidae. I now have a 4 year old medium 44 pound black lab mix who can eat anything and a 3 year old English Pointer Mix who is having massive digestion problems. He was checked for worms (negative) and was on Flagyl (antibiotic) since all indications pointed to infection. He did OK on the Vet prescribed canned food while also on diarhhea medication but no good when reintroducing him back to his normal kibble. The vet suggested it was possilbe he was intolerant to meat based foods so I bought TOTW grain free Salmon food because I am disabled and cost is a big factor. I feel like he needs more fiber to firm things up a bit though it seems like most foods are in the 3-4% range for fiber. To make it more complicated, the lab can eat anything but her stools are sometimes rock hard whereas right now my Pointer mix's poop can't even be picked up. Is there a moderately priced seafood based food? Candiae's fish based food is SO EXPENSIVE. Also, why is grain free so important? Don't they need healthy grain for fiber?
Hello lippylulu,
Grains are one of the cheapest and worst ingredients that a dog could eat.
A page I wrote called Grains are Very Bad for Your Obligate carnivore Cat and Carnivore Dog should answer your questions. Roger Biduk
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Old 05-23-2013, 06:02 AM
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Dog was doing pretty well on Nutro Natural Choice Venison with Perfect Form added to pumpkin. He HATES the Perfect Form but that stuff sure works. Due to a delivery problem, I was running out of Nutro Venison. He had 2 meals with Nutro Venison mixed with TOTW Seafood Salmon and one with just TOTW, all the time with Perfect Form and Pumpkin and he did great! Eventually I would like to phase out the Petrfect Form because he really doesn't like it (eats it only becuase he has to) but more and more I am leaning toward TOTW because its a grainfree I can afford. Their bison and venison line has some chicken meal in it so I am hesitant in case poultry was a problem for him but at least I have found something he can eat and I can give him the Perfect Form as long as he needs it. TOTW will cost me less for the big bags which is a major concern. Its so nice to have a healthy dog again. I highly recommend Perfect Form. Dogs may not like the taste but when hungry enough they will eat it and I think its a much better natural solution than diarhhea medicine or upset stomachs when needing to change foods.
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Old 05-23-2013, 09:53 AM
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I use Enzyme Pro digestive supplement with Logan. It's cheap and he seems to like the taste of it. I don't ever plan to stop...it's not hurting him, and I don't want a diarrhea dog if it is indeed helping him. Gavroche gets it on occasion, too.
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