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Old 04-25-2013, 04:21 PM
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We don't know yet if he will be 100%. It is far too early to say. We talk about this DAILY.
I will keep my fingers crossed it never is an issue again!
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Old 04-25-2013, 04:28 PM
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I will keep my fingers crossed it never is an issue again!
Thanks! We hope not as he has a bright future ahead of him

Aaaaaaaand. Back in the room..

Fingers crossed recon is 100% soon too
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Old 04-25-2013, 05:59 PM
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Just my two cents but...

There is a difference depending on what the injury is.

An example from my household's last year, to avoid getting anyone all defensive (feel free to throw stones or criticize me, I'm always willing to answer for my actions and can only do the best I can with the knowledge I have at the time...so I try to gather all the knowledge I can).

With Kim, who had a strange and hard-to-identify injury, we pulled her from all activity and did crate rest. Had her evaluated by both a normal vet and a DVM/acupuncturist and PT. The vet instantly wanted to go to scans/surgical/lifetime drugs. The PT wanted to go to rest, milder drugs just to reduce inflammation and promote healing, and a cold laser/acupuncture treatment series. We chose the later partially because it was less invasive and because we had good reviews for that treatment from people who had had similar issues, and partially because it cost substantially less AND if it didn't work we could still always go the surgical route. As long as we were extremely conscientious about keeping her quiet and not stressing her back, we were not going to make the problem worse. In her case the PT was proven right and today she is better than ever.

There were options and it was not a case where one was right and the other wrong. We had to do our own risk analysis and decide what was right for the dog AND what was the wisest use of our resources.

With Cookie, who had a broken femur, our options were to put her down, have surgery at the local vet, or have surgery at the veterinary hospital with board-certified surgeons, top of the line implants and equipment, and a fabulous staff of highly trained 24-hour monitoring care. I probably don't have to explain this, but the cost difference between each of these three was...substantial. She was headed to the trauma center literally five minutes after we learned the options and relative risks. It would have been sooner, but there was paperwork to do.

My point is that choosing to conserve resources when you can even if you can come up with the money one way or another is not automatically an indication that you care less, nor does it mean you wouldn't spend the money if you needed to. It's not a contest, and throwing around the $-amount you are willing or able to drop doesn't equate to greater love or responsibility.

That said, taking a good hard look at your options, your motivations, and your ability to prevent problems in the first place and deal with them if they do occur is absolutely every owner's responsibility.
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Old 04-25-2013, 06:04 PM
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I got this advice..... HERE. On chaz. From chazzers

Here!!!!!!

So I should take every ones advice....... But...... When it comes to everyone else, just don't bother... Confusing.

I'm not saying everyone can afford it. But you accept the fact your dog may have a lifelong disability or illness by not being able to pay.

We do. Trust me. We don't know how much more we can afford, we have spent more in vets bills in a month than I've spent in my LIFE.

You do it though. You just do. We all say "don't get an animal if you can't afford it".

If you can't afford it INSURE IT. We have insurance, but we insured too late. It was one of those things we kept meaning to do but never did.
I dont' care where you got the advice from. In rare instances is the 3000 dollar test the first step.

I have never said don't get an animal if you can't afford it. The only requirements I have is you feed it, love it, and interact with it. If you can't afford a 120 dollar blood draw or a 5K hip surgery after that, I don't care.

I'll give the same advice a thousand times and I follow it myself. If I think it's serious I take to a vet, if not, I rest and see. If I think it's an ortho problem, I will go to an ortho vet and get a physical exam and hear a **** good reasoning behind doing an MRI, most of which are un needed. AT least with humans they are, but everybody wants them thinking they're going to show a good doctor something he doesn't already know. The reimbursements are rather nice though, can't lie about that.
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Old 04-25-2013, 08:29 PM
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All she needs to do is have a consultation. The scan might not be necessary. If it is, you pay for it.... Or you try.. Or you accept your dog may have a lifelong disability.
Can't tell if you were referring to LoLa or DJEtzel. IF you are referring to LoLa, she is under the care of 3 different vets, 1 being an Orthopedic Specialist. When and IF they feel the MRI is necessary we will discuss options. They did rule out OCD for her, by radiographs.

The only place here that is close and does MRIs is the WSU Vet School.
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Old 04-25-2013, 08:47 PM
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A lot has been said, and I can't tell what is generalized or directed at me/other members.

I'm not going to skimp on anything, it's just overwhelming having 30 different a opinions and options all sort of opposite from each other, so we've changed our plan about 10 times in the last day.

We still have no problem paying for the MRI if the sports vet thinks he needs it. But as many pointed out that I did not think about prior, most doctors refer straight to the most expensive option that is most likely to tell you exactly what's wrong, while there are many specialists that can tell you the same thing without expensive tests due to experience.

So we have had x rays and a consult with a general practitioner veterinarian, and we have an appointment with a great sports/rehab vet for a consult early Monday. Recon is on mostly crate rest now... He's still loose when the other dogs are away and at night because he is not a spaz in the house.

We will see what the new vet suggests and go from there.
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Old 04-25-2013, 09:14 PM
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I just wanted to pop in and say thanks for making this thread. The price on that MRI just scared me into signing Siri up for insurance.

Hopefully you get answers sooner rather than later with Recon, not knowing what is going on is the worst :/
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Old 04-25-2013, 09:37 PM
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I just wanted to pop in and say thanks for making this thread. The price on that MRI just scared me into signing Siri up for insurance.

Hopefully you get answers sooner rather than later with Recon, not knowing what is going on is the worst :/
Wanna know the worst? Recon had insurance up until about three weeks ago. He got it free from AKC when I sent in his registration online. I didn't renew because he was showing no issues with ANYTHING and I didn't have a lot of extra (read; any) money to spend on the insurance I didn't think we'd need.

Well, you live and you learn. Thank you!
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Old 04-25-2013, 10:45 PM
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You think we have it to spare?

If it was a child... Would you hesitate?

We choose to take on this responsibility the moment we take another living being into our homes.
No I wouldn't hesitate. I walked into my vet's office once and said save his life no matter the cost.....I own a classic car and I'll either sell it or you can have it. But I understand that it isn't always an option for some.
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Old 04-26-2013, 02:39 AM
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A. I'm not referring to any specific person.

B. I'm saying get the consultation and deal with the consequences if you have an unexplained illness or injury in a young animal.

C. I'm not saying scan it, scan it, scan it! Who the hell does that for no good reason. See above.

D. If you choose to not get a consultation, or get one and ignore the advice or can't afford the treatment then YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CONSEQUENCES.

E. No one is above that, I do not doubt I will have to make that choice one day, but my choice will always be pay it or insure it. I've learnt that the hard way!!! If you havent got savings and don't insure you are walking a fine line.
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