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Old 10-15-2012, 03:41 PM
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So, something weird is going on with the Dobermans, and because it's both at once and neither one is eating the same food as the other, it leads me to believe there might be an environmental component that I am missing.

Ripley has been battling skin issues since last November, which we had under control and he looked awesome up until a couple of weeks ago. Now he smells very yeasty, his skin is back to being all flakey, and he's super itchy. Keira also is extremely itchy, has flakey skin and smells very yeasty. I feel so bad for them and just want to fix them. They're miserable I'm sure - they scratch every opportunity they get. And my house currently smells super doggy because they stink right now, so that's not good either.

Can anyone give me any ideas as to what can cause yeast infections? The affected areas are: armpits (both dogs), back (both dogs), and tummy (Keira).

I know grains and carbs promote yeast growth, but what else? Anything environmental? Is there anything I can give them besides an antibiotic/medication to control it? Anything special I should wash them in?

Currently they are getting ACV and fish oils in their food, if that makes a difference/matters at all.

Any help or suggestions are very much appreciated! I just want them to feel better and look good again. I don't even want other people coming over (because they smell bad) or petting them (again, because they smell bad) right now. It's embarrassing. I just gave them a bath last week to see if it would help (in hypoallergenic shampoo), and it did nothing.

I will take them both back to the vet if I have to, but Ripley's been on so many different meds this year and I really don't want to have to put him back on something unless I have to.

I just want healthy looking dogs again. I've never dealt with skin issues in dogs before, so this is all new to me. And getting really, really old, fast. I do everything I can to help them look and feel their best, and they are not reflecting any of that right now.
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Old 10-15-2012, 03:53 PM
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Hmm... since it was bad last year around this time, and then was gone and then came back... ragweed is the biggest allergy trigger in the fall, and I know it wreaks havoc on Renegade's body (same types of things it does to the dobes).

ETA: I guess that wasn't very helpful There's not much that you can really *do* about it, other than allergy meds. Ren currently lives on Benedryl.
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Old 10-15-2012, 04:02 PM
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Thanks, Jess. Any ideas help!

Ripley's skin thing could very well be the exact same sort of thing we've been dealing with all year, just presented slightly differently due to another allergen (he does appear to have environmental allergies so that wouldn't surprise me). I just find it odd that Keira suddenly has the same symptoms (perhaps worse) as Ripley when she's never had any problems up until recently.

I'll try giving them both Benedryl for a while and see if it helps at all. It certainly can't hurt anything I wouldn't think.
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Old 10-15-2012, 04:03 PM
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Yes, grains and carbohydrates. Also an imbalance of bacteria in the gut (often caused by antiobiotics), toxins in processed food and the environment, lack of live enzymes in the food. Yeast is a complicated issue and can be difficult to erradicate.

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Old 10-15-2012, 04:08 PM
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For Neccy who is super duper allergic any grain, even a crouton sized bite, is enough to kill off the cilia in her gut, which sets up the infection and she has nothing to fight it off with, so the yeast populates and by the time it gets to her skin, she is incredibly ill. I think it effects her cognitive as well as the obvious skin signs. So we avoid at all cost, grains, sugars, and if I am not sure I take no chances. IT takes a good 30 days for her to get her intestinal tract back in order, but when it is, there is no stink, no swelling, no hair loss, and she is bright and happy. I also give her probiotics, some people have suggested cocoanut milk, because it is a natural antifungal, but we haven't needed to go that route. I gave her baths with vinegar rinses, don't use oatmeal soap because it just feeds the yeast monster, we used a shampoo provided by the vet for our best results and did our bathe treatments every 3 days. The hardest part is getting the family on board to leave out no crumbs. My grandson was here today and he had an oreo cookie, I didn't see him drop a part of it when he did, but fortunatly found it before Neccy did. I had to switch everyone including the cat because she is a food thief of great skill. We have for the most part changed our own snacks and such because it is easier than getting Hyia not to spill or drop. It isnt' easy but this is what she has to have to be healthy and happy. Good luck. I sure have become a label reader since she arrived. In the beginning I gave her probiotics and benedryl too, now it is in her dog food so I don't add the supplements.
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Old 10-15-2012, 04:10 PM
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Regarding the use of benedryl...elimination of the symptom is NOT the same as elimination of the disease. Palliating symptoms instead of removing the causes of the symptom only promotes further disease.

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Regarding the use of benedryl...elimination of the symptom is NOT the same as elimination of the disease. Palliating symptoms instead of removing the causes of the symptom only promotes further disease.

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But how does one eliminate the problem if you don't know what's causing the problem? If it is an allergy then they can at least be less miserable while taking Benedryl until a solution is found. Because right now, I don't know what the solution is, but having them like this isn't so great either.

Also, I forgot to add in my previous post:

They get a probiotic in their meals and they do not get a lot of treats and have no access to any of our food. I also wipe them down with vinegar. All of their bedding and stuff that they lay on is washed regularly with unscented products also.
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I'd start questioning the dogs' yeast issues individually and work off the assumption that this is just a coinky-dink. If you end up at the same result with both of them, no harm no foul. But you can miss things that one may have been exposed to that the other hasn't when you're under the assumption that they are BOTH reacting to the same exact thing.

I'd still start with food, especially if you changed within the last year. It can take a few months for things to start to build up enough to see something as obvious as yeast on the skin. What are they currently on?

A lot of meds could turn off the immune system to a point and encourage the growth of yeast. Yogurt and probiotics to eliminate that possibility, definitely. To inhibit the yeast on the skin for both dogs, I'd suggest rubbing them down with a vinegar/water-soaked rag. Somewhere between 1/8 to 1/16th mix, depending on how strong the yeast is. You can start lower and work your way up if you don't see results. But the higher concentration you go, the more likely it might dry out their skin...and that causes more issues. Overusing vinegar in high concentration will cause MORE issues.

Environment...I'd look for anything that would promote yeast growth. Wet and warm are typical. Wet towels, wet beds, sudden humidity spike in the weather, rainy weather, etc. Are they dried completely after they are bathed, or do you let them air dry? Did you recently turn on the heat in your house? If you did, have you changed the filter this year, yet? Check your weather. Have any pollen alerts?
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"Grass rust", it's what's giving Jinj H*** right now! It was the only time before he's ever had these issues of chewing the daylights out of his feet till they're near bald and blood red with yeasty build up, we had it really bad one year, and this year it's pretty bad again. I don't know what else to call it or what it's name it, I believe it's a fungus, but it looks like rust like you would see on metal, spotted across the blades of grass giving it an orange color, not "dead brown" but a bright orange. I can take a picture if anyone wants? I think it's still out there after the last lawn mowing.
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But how does one eliminate the problem if you don't know what's causing the problem? If it is an allergy then they can at least be less miserable while taking Benedryl until a solution is found. Because right now, I don't know what the solution is, but having them like this isn't so great either.

Also, I forgot to add in my previous post:

They get a probiotic in their meals and they do not get a lot of treats and have no access to any of our food. I also wipe them down with vinegar. All of their bedding and stuff that they lay on is washed regularly with unscented products also.
Like I said, yeast is a complicated issue! Allergies do not cause yeast overgrowth. When I see a yeast overgrowth I know without a doubt there is an imbalance of bacteria in the intestinal tract and that the immune system is not functioning at the level it should. These are the core causes of yeast overgrowth and the barriers that prevent eradication of the yeast.

How to eliminate the problem? The basics - stop feeding any type of processed foods, instead feel a natural species appropraite diet, replenish the bacteria in the gut and support the immune system....

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