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Old 04-09-2013, 10:10 AM
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Does anyone have links for blogs or what not as to why it's okay and better to keep certain sports breed specific? I am looking specifically at things like lure coursing, hunt trials, etc.

If you'd like to share any against as well that is fine but I am specifically trying to understand the other side of the debate.
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Old 04-09-2013, 10:46 AM
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Does anyone have links for blogs or what not as to why it's okay and better to keep certain sports breed specific? I am looking specifically at things like lure coursing, hunt trials, etc.

If you'd like to share any against as well that is fine but I am specifically trying to understand the other side of the debate.
Still trying to get Sloan into a field test?
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lol Naw, not currently. I'm actually just trying to understand the alternative side of the argument.

For example I'm not sure if I care about non-sighthounds not being able to trial beyond entry level in AKC lure sports but I am curious the reasoning behind it.
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The only valid argument I know of is in herding.

Are those non-herding dogs ACTUALLY herding, or are they just chasing sheep? Is that fair to the sheep?
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I don't have a blog, don't know of any and my opinion usually counts for ****, but I'm going to write them down anyway.

Pro's of keeping a sport breed specific

There's no confusion. People that know retrievers know retrievers, those that know shepherds, judge shepherds. GSD's herd much differently than BC's. Their jobs are much different they should be held to different standards.

I think you'd have a more true to standard breed maybe???

I think some focus can help breeders and handlers alike. There are a lot that jump from breed to breed and everytime they meet a new on, they get one. Some are breeding multiples without ever truly understanding one.

That said, i'm more of a middle of the road type of person. I don't care what somebody wants to do with their dog. If you want to enter a shepherd in a field trial for pointers and want to be judged by that standard, go for it.

If you have a beagle you think can run fast, and want to lure course? go ahead. I suppose if there are problems with availability and all the spots are filled up with waiting lists, then you restrict it a bit more. Otherwise, let them pay their entry fee and play too.
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The only valid argument I know of is in herding.

Are those non-herding dogs ACTUALLY herding, or are they just chasing sheep? Is that fair to the sheep?
The problem I have is that herders don't all herd the same. A shepherd and a collie are really different. Then in the lower level type trials I would think it wouldn't be impossible to train dogs to 'obedience hers' really dog broke sheep.

But then you run into the sticky situation of if this dog of whatever breed isn't actually going to ever be used as a working farm dog then is it right to train said dog on sheep, causing stress to the sheep? I do think there's value but that's a more hardcore line I've heard from stock people against 'weekend warrioring' with any breed.

I always do kind of look funny at people doing stock work with non traditional breeds though.
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For example I'm not sure if I care about non-sighthounds not being able to trial beyond entry level in AKC lure sports but I am curious the reasoning behind it.
Is there more lure coursing than chasing a plastic bag around?

What I do like about the AKC CATs is that there aren't a bunch of dogs out there together. Now if only there were some within 2 hours drive of my home.

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There are several titles beyond the CAT. Last I read they are limited to sight hounds only, maybe there was a change? Further there are organizations specific to sight hounds for racing, maybe AKC has bent?

That being said I am referring to things like this: Senior Hunter Retriever
This is a hunting test title available to versatile hunting breeds that are allowed to enter a second hunting test. A dog must receive qualifying scores at 4 licensed or member Retriever Hunting Tests. Breeds eligible for this title are: American Water Spaniel; Boykin Spaniel; German Shorthaired Pointer; German Wirehaired Pointer; Vizsla; Weimaraner; Wirehaired Pointing Griffon.
[ Hunting Test ]

Master Hunter Upland
This is a hunting test title available to versatile hunting breeds that are allowed to enter a second hunting test. A dog must receive qualifying scores at 4 licensed or member Spaniel Hunting Tests. Breeds eligible for this title are: Curly-Coated Retrievers; Flat-Coated Retrievers.
[ Hunting Test ]

And this: http://classic.akc.org/events/lure_c...ble_breeds.cfm

All dogs one year of age or older from the following breeds are eligible to participate in Lure Coursing Events.

AKC Recognized Breeds
Afghan Hound
Basenji
Borzoi
Greyhound
Ibizan Hound
Irish Wolfhound
Italian Greyhound
Pharaoh Hound
Rhodesian Ridgeback
Saluki
Scottish Deerhound
Whippet
* Foundation Stock Service Breeds
Azawakh
Cirneco Dell’Etna
Norrbottenspets (effective 7/1/11)
Peruvian Inca Orchid (effective 9/1/12)
Portuguese Podengos (Medio & Grande)
Portuguese Podengo Pequeno (effective 1/1/12)
Sloughi
Thai Ridgeback


* May compete for suffix titles only
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The only valid argument I know of is in herding.

Are those non-herding dogs ACTUALLY herding, or are they just chasing sheep? Is that fair to the sheep?
Considering more birds would need to be killed for additional non-gundogs in hunt tests, the same argument could apply.
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Considering more birds would need to be killed for additional non-gundogs in hunt tests, the same argument could apply.
I didn't even think of that!
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