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Old 04-24-2006, 05:13 PM
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He's not a troll, he's been posting for a while
Sadly that means nothing
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Old 04-24-2006, 05:16 PM
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Yes, it does mean something. It means we know a bit of the background on this member. He has questions and he's getting answers to them whether or not we agree with the situation. Calling someone a troll is name calling which you know we don't do on this forum.
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Old 04-24-2006, 05:19 PM
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Yes, it does mean something. It means we know a bit of the background on this member. He has questions and he's getting answers to them whether or not we agree with the situation. Calling someone a troll is name calling which you know we don't do on this forum.
Well I am only going by experence, I have seen trolls making friends before they post just to get people on their side, sorry but thats how some work
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Old 04-24-2006, 05:20 PM
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Well I am only going by experence, I have seen trolls making friends before they post just to get people on their side, sorry but thats how some work
That's fine but don't call our members trolls please.
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Old 04-24-2006, 05:49 PM
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Old 04-24-2006, 06:11 PM
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Pupman, why do YOU want to have a litter? Do you have a desire to have a puppy from your girl? What are you looking for in a sire that would compliment your b*tch...you have to realize that since you do have a mutt, you have no way of knowing what the puppies are going to be like at all.

And secondly, the fact that the people who say they want a puppy but refuse a rescue rather bothers me. That tells me they just want a cute fluffy puppy without much thought behind it. Why don't they want a rescue? They don't know the background? They won't really know the background from your puppies either; no one with a quality male is going to breed to you.

So in short, I wouldn't do it. It's putting your lovely dog through a lot of unnecessary risk.
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Old 04-24-2006, 06:15 PM
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I think that the whole "Breeding mutts is automatically irresponsible" is a bit too much of a blanket statement for my taste. Where I'm from, breeding mutts with strong, functional, working traits is fairly common. So I shall look at this practically. Before you consider breeding, take a look at this:

-Are both parents health checked? I don't mean "has all their shots and looked over by the vet". I mean thoroughly screened for hereditary problems, like eye problems, luxating patella, hip dysplasia, etc. Keep in mind that each of these tests costs hundreds of dollars to complete.

-How are their temperaments? Are both parents steady, dependable and confidant? You don't want to breed dogs that have aggression issues, are very shy/nervous, excessively submissive, poor social skills, etc.

-What do the parents have to offer? Are they outstanding working dogs? Great at obedience? What titles have they earned? Or, if they're more of the "lap dog" type, do they have the great temperament and loveable personality desired?

-Can you take the mother for necessary health exams, X-rays, etc., during pregnancy? Can you afford an emergency C-section if necessary (usually $1,000 or more)? If problems come up, be prepared to hand-raise if necessary. Be aware that there are many complications that can occur. Breeding is dangerous for the mother as well as the puppies.

-Breeding puppies costs money, even for those who breed expensive show dogs. Expect to lose money in this venture, not make a profit. You must give the puppies regular check-ups and shots before they ever leave your care. And since your puppies will be mutts, you cannot charge anywhere near as much as purebreds (unless they have specialized working skills).

-Do you have time to teach these puppies? Learning begins long before they leave to new homes. Get them used to strangers, "normal" home noises (like the dishwasher or doorbell), how to handle grooming, and the beginning stages of crate training, leash training and housebreaking.

-From the tone of your posts, these puppies will basically all be going to relatives for companions only. Will you provide spay/neuter contracts? That would be the responsible thing. While these puppies may have guaranteed homes, that doesn't mean any of their puppies will.

-Are you willing to take responsibility for the dog for the duration of its life? That means you will take a puppy back for any reason, at any stage of its life. You brought the puppy into the world; you are responsible for making sure it has the best life possible.
The money is NOT a factor... it could be in the thousands.

[/QUOTE]Just curious, why do they refuse? No offense, but if you find someone very truly devoted to adopting a friendly, mixed-breed puppy, they would have an open mind about going to get one from a responsible shelter or rescue, because it is easy to find one, and they would understand that breeding isn't easy and isn't something to consider lightly. It sounds as if they might just want a pup because you are planning a litter, but not much else. Please ask yourself, "Do they really want a puppy as a forever companion, and are they really thinking into this?" Once again, please take no offense, I'm just warning you..[/QUOTE]

I kept telling them they should adopt.... but they won't and refuse for some reason. It's one of those "If I can't have a dog like yours, I don't want one" - I tried to educate them that there are no guarantees you get a dog with my temperment, traits, etc...

I honestly would like to have a pup from my girl as well.

[/QUOTE]That's fine but don't call our members trolls please...[/QUOTE]

Thank You

I guess why im really here is for somebody to "talk me" or "think me" out of this idea.... though I would love to have a puppy from my girl but need to weigh the pros and cons of things. I love the whole learning experience
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Old 04-24-2006, 06:20 PM
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What if your girl dies in labor?
What if all the pups die at birth?

If nothing else would stop me, those two things would.

By the way, thanks for asking for input first, many folks breed then ask!!!
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Old 04-24-2006, 06:21 PM
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You still haven't answered my question.

The reason I'd like to know if you're talking about the same dog, which was your Toy Poodle, she's only a pup and a small one at that. I'm sure she will not be more then 4 pounds, give or take an ounce, once full grown. People here stated great reasons why not to breed her and another would be the good chance of loosing her during delivery due to her size. That's if we are talking about the same dog.
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Old 04-24-2006, 06:32 PM
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"If I can't have a dog like yours, I don't want one" - I tried to educate them that there are no guarantees you get a dog with my temperment, traits, etc...
Chances are, they WON'T get a pup like your from your bitch...

Bodhi is mixed breed..

She is slightly similar to her mum, but we're talking a resemblence.

The rest of her pups looked nothing like her!

Look at these pics for example. Sorry, they are not great.

All these (4) dogs looks COMPLETELY different. They are ALL related. This is Bodhi (when she was younger), her mum, gran and 1/2 bro. They are as different as they come (before anyone asks ALL dogs are spayed and neutered).







I would not breed my dog to satisfy my friends needs. Just too risky, and they can get one of the many thousands that would otherwise be euthanised.
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