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Old 02-08-2005, 04:00 PM
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Our puppy (a miniature australian shepherd) is 6 months old and I have a slight concern about the way his back legs move. At a normal walk they seem fine and move fluidly. Then, when he is between a walk and a run, they move almost in unison like a galloping horse, but in a very stiff way. Almost as if they are rocking back and forth or bouncing behind him. But at a full speed run he seems to move fluidly again.

Is it normal for puppies to have this odd stiff sort of gallop? Or is this possible hip problems? Once cause may be that we live in an apartment with all linoleum floors. Any running he does in the house causes him to slide across the floor. We try to discourage running in the house and take him out for walks frequently. Could the linoleum floors be causing any problems?

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Old 02-08-2005, 04:12 PM
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Personally I would bring him to the vet.

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I do not mean to offend you or anything, but there is no such thing as a Mini Aussie. These are simply runts, smaller dogs. People just bred smaller Aussies and called them Miniature Australian Shepherds.
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Old 02-08-2005, 04:49 PM
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Is the dog pacing at a lower speed ? ( both rear and front legs on one side moving forward together). This causes a rear end "waggle"..then they switch to normal lope at a higher gait. Otherwise I agree...check with a vet.
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Old 02-08-2005, 04:55 PM
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I do not mean to offend you or anything, but there is no such thing as a Mini Aussie. These are simply runts, smaller dogs.
No offense taken, but as our puppy was definitely not the runt of his litter I am not inclined to refer to him as a runt Australian Shepherd. I understand that the AKC only recognizes Australian Shepherds between 18 and 23 inches, but our little guy doesn't fall into that category. Keep in mind the standard Australian Shepherd itself was not recognized by the AKC until 1993.

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People just bred smaller Aussies and called them Miniature Australian Shepherds.
That is exactly right! For those not familiar with the Miniature Australian Shepherd here is a little background info from the Miniature Australian Club of America (http://www.mascaonline.org):

During the 1960ís, a Californian Australian Shepherd enthusiast acquired several small working Aussies from the rodeo circuit. Intrigued by their compact size, she worked with a veterinarian to develop a breeding program in order to preserve the trait, which quickly resulted in litters producing both dogs only 13 to 14 inches tall as well as larger Australian Shepherds. The smaller dogs eventually became known as "miniature" Australian Shepherds.

The mini Aussie soon attracted the attention of experienced Australian Shepherd breeders and eager newcomers. Lines were researched and educated breeding to full-size Aussies was and is strongly encouraged to diversify the gene pool and improve conformation and type of the mini Aussies. Herding instinct, intelligence and drive were preserved and many mini Aussies continue to work a variety of livestock today.

The first registry to accept the Miniature Australian Shepherd was the National Stock Dog Registry (NSDR): the same to first recognize the Australian Shepherd. Acceptance was next achieved with the now defunct Rare Breed Kennel Club (RBKC). After the RBKC folded in the early 1990ís, the mini Aussie gained acceptance with the American Rare Breed Association (ARBA).

Unfortunately, ARBA regulations stipulated that in order for a breed to qualify for Group and Best in Show competition, it could not have a name associated with an AKC breed. So in 1993, when the Australian Shepherd was granted full show privileges in the AKCís Herding Group, one group of mini Aussie enthusiasts opted to change the mini Aussieís name, a move which caused great confusion in the dog world and for the general public and eventually led to the development of a separate and distinct breed from the Australian Shepherd called the North American Shepherd.

Dissatisfied with the limited show schedule offered by any one club, enthusiasts attempted to secure wider recognition. However, it soon became apparent that acceptance could not be gained under the new name because it implied a new breed. In actuality, the mini Aussie remained a size variety of the Australian Shepherd, with a continuous genepool, and not a separate breed. Those concerned with maintaining Australian Shepherd heritage, instinct, temperament and type, and interested in pursuing further recognition formed a Miniature Australian Shepherd parent club in order to attain these goals.


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Personally I would bring him to the vet.
The reason we are not taking him to the vet at this point is because it does not appear to be causing him any discomfort. We live in a non-english speaking country at the moment so taking our puppy to the vet is slightly more complicated. We go to the vet for shots, travel health exams, and of course any emergency situations. Smaller issues wait until we are back in an english speaking country.

But we are interested in other pet owners personal experiences that might be helpful in identifyng whether this is something he will grow out of or a possible sign of future problems.
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Old 02-08-2005, 05:33 PM
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Is the dog pacing at a lower speed ? ( both rear and front legs on one side moving forward together). This causes a rear end "waggle"..then they switch to normal lope at a higher gait. Otherwise I agree...check with a vet.
I looked up a little about what you mentioned with pacing and such. I am not real familiar with the terms used for a dogs gait. From what I read though it looks like he is doing a really low speed gallop. Maybe that is why it seems slightly choppy and stiff. Then when he goes into a fast gallop it seems more natural. Any thoughts?

A few terms I came across I am not sure of though were crabbing, lumbering and prancing.
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Old 02-09-2005, 12:49 AM
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It could be the uncertainty of the footing on linoleum. Many dogs will adopt a strange gait on linoleum at medium speeds simply because they don't feel secure. If you can, try to take him somewhere he can move on grass and see if his gait is the same there after he has some time to adjust to the new surface.
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Old 02-16-2005, 07:13 PM
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I'm certainly not saying you should refer to your dog as a runt, and I'm sure he's a big sweetheart, but they are not a breed (at least not with the AKC).
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Personally I would bring him to the vet.


I do not mean to offend you or anything, but there is no such thing as a Mini Aussie. These are simply runts, smaller dogs. People just bred smaller Aussies and called them Miniature Australian Shepherds.

There is such a breed made up of smaller bred Aussies. BUT they are not called called Mini Aussies but North American Shepherd. Not saying that I like it all reminds my of the ALaskan Klee Kai really.

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I'm certainly not saying you should refer to your dog as a runt, and I'm sure he's a big sweetheart, but they are not a breed (at least not with the AKC).
i'd just like to make a small commernt in regards to the AKC here.

the AKC is not the be all and end all of "everything dog". they only recognize a very limited number of breeds (153 curently i think), whereas the FCI - the world canine organization - recognizes 332 and there are still more breeds not even recognized by FCI that are nevertheless "real breeds".

there are non-AKC-recognized breeds out there that have existed for longer than the AKC itself.

as for the mini aussie, they are really great dogs and the breed has two dedicated parent breed clubs behind it (NAMASCUSA and MASCA), who have recently decided to merge into one single organization.

last but not least, i don't want to step on any toes here, but it is not necessarily in a breed's best interest to even be AKC recognized in the first place, since the working ability and overall health of many of them has suffered once they are only bred to please the eyes of AKC judges. personally i think the UKC is doing its members a better service.
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Old 02-17-2005, 09:32 AM
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last but not least, i don't want to step on any toes here, but it is not necessarily in a breed's best interest to even be AKC recognized in the first place, since the working ability and overall health of many of them has suffered once they are only bred to please the eyes of AKC judges. personally i think the UKC is doing its members a better service.
Total agreement here, Mordy. I shudder to think what is in store for the Neopolitan Mastiff now that the AKC has deigned to recognize this venerable old breed - that does indeed predate the AKC by a long, long time. There are some breeds that just don't need all of the hype that the AKC brings, and temperament, health and working instincts are sure to fall by the wayside.
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