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View Poll Results: Do you consider your dog "breed worthy", hypothetically?
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Old 06-19-2013, 11:12 AM
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Zoe, no. I guess if someone I trusted completely said she should with a certain male, maybe I would, but most likely not at this point.

She is pretty driven, she's pretty balanced. Can chill and relax is the most affectionate dog I have ever met and I'm not just saying that because she's mine Plenty of prey drive, pretty fast, very agile and stable is pretty much any situation I can put her in.

Her greatest attribute is she is smart, not just I teach you this, you learn it smart, but she is amazing at reading people and her willingness to please is almost annoying sometimes She's not perfect, we've had some roadblocks on the most mundane of things in training at times. Example going over a jump, retrieving and coming back....OVER the jump. She kept going around.

This made me question her intelligence but we had done touch pads and she was solid over and back over. One day at a different club, it was hot as hell, 90 and humid, blazing sun, I just wanted to do a quick retrieve, send out and be done. Well she had other plans. She wouldn't jump back over, just ran around on the return.

Of course I'm stubborn and I'm not going to do anything to help her because this was one of those points I decided, she's going to do it, till she figures it out About 20 + jumps later at just over a meter she's done everyone exactly the same and every one when she came back just as she passed the jump not jumping I said NO, and grabbed the DB and did it again.

I've seen many dogs, with much more substance than her start to come down after that many tries with no success, let alone the heat. People are asking if I want help at this point and I'm like, "no, either she quits or she gets it" Like I said, i'm stubborn.

She didn't quit, she didn't even slow down, i'm not joking when every one was as fast and energetic as the first, even with all the verbal No's and zero success. That was about 3 years ago, I don't think she's missed a return jump since

I guess my long winded point is she will go till she drops trying to please. people can argue dogs dont' do that all day long, wait till you own one like her then get back to me Making me happy does make her happy, and she'll groan and melt in my arms when she knows I"m happy. She doesn't shut down when I'm unhappy either, she just keeps trying things with the same gusto as always. I love that about her and wish every dog was like her.

The cons? She's a longcoat, not that I really care about that, she's missing two teeth, but they aren't disqualifying faults. She fits within the standard, beyond that I don't pay attention to how close to the "ideal" conformation a dog is. I think it's a pretty pointless system actually the way ideal is determined. anyway

the biggest reason is, she's more bluff than bite in actual pressure work. Somedays she's a terror and bites hard and full and committed and other days she'd rather sniff you and try and be your friend. To me she lacks that intensity under that pressure and sometimes would rather avoid than confront. I think that makes her better than a lot of regular dogs out there in terms of temperament, but weak when it comes to working dogs. If someone I knew produced great dogs said, i know a male that can fix that, I'd breed her for all the other reasons. Maybe

Yoli I would breed and she will be this fall.

standard wise, she fits it, I explained my views on the standard above. She's smaller, just under 60lbs. She's very fast, very committed, very stable under working pressure. There isn't a threat she won't confront and think she's going to win and her confidence exudes in her gripping behavior and commitment to the bite.

She is also fast and driven. Not sharp, though her mother was. I've worked a lot of related dogs to her and all are pretty similar in their power and strength. I think there is a high likelihood of her reproducing herself.

She is a natural tracker, which is nice, because I hate training tracking

She's very motivated, though differently than Zoe, but makes training pretty easy, but can also add it's own challenges too

The breeding we have planned will have a pretty nice linebreeding IMO being 5-4 on Neck von der Maineiche. Far enough back, but he added a lot of power and commitment to the breed thru a lot of his offspring. Some of them have a bigger name than he does, but that's the goal, produce kids better than yourself and he did. It's also 4-3 on Andy von der Lemper Heide
and 5-4 on Fina vom Hainpark who was the mother to some pretty amazing dogs.

anyway, she's a very compact and well put together dog. I'm excited for this breeding, so I hope it all works out.
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Old 06-19-2013, 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by release the hounds View Post
She's a longcoat, not that I really care about that, she's missing two teeth

I'm excited for this breeding, so I hope it all works out.
Hey, that's Kastle too! Longcoat, missing two front teeth

You will be posting a TON of puppy pictures, yes?
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Old 06-19-2013, 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by FG167 View Post
Hey, that's Kastle too! Longcoat, missing two front teeth

You will be posting a TON of puppy pictures, yes?
She will be going back to her breeder to have the puppies. I love puppies, but I want no part of the whelping side of things at this point I have ZERO experience with that. Nothing, i've never even seen a litter born. Plenty of cats, cows, horses etc, but never dogs.

I'll train and keep all the dogs I can, but I am not set up to have a litter of puppies here. I get to have input on what my bitches strengths are and get input as to the male we're going to use, but that's where my involvement ends.

I'll leave that to the someone that has much more knowledge on that than I and if the timing of all this happens like I think it will, my wife would kill me if I whelped my first litter of puppies here
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Old 06-19-2013, 12:46 PM
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Emily - NO. She's nothing like her breed at all. She loves me and the people she knows but she's not a fan of others. She has so many fear based issues. She's a genetic nightmare with horrible conformation. Anything you can think of that can be wrong with a dog, she's got it. She has to be fed a special diet because she breaks out by eating grains and pretty much anything else. She's a good dog though. Very well behaved and the most trained of any dog I've had the pleasure to own.

Bayleigh - She's a mutt and spayed but she's everything I've ever wanted in a dog. She's smart, confident, willing to please, fearless, loves me, catches on to things within minutes. The only thing I'd change about her is her size. Add another 20 or so pounds to her and she'd be perfect! Who am I fooling. She's perfect now.

Pirate - Maybe. He's still young, just turned a year old yesterday. He's got very nice conformation and full of drive. He's very smart and willing to please. He loves people but sometimes he can be a little shy. He's a very soft dog. He doesn't like correction. But I guess that's pretty common in his bloodline. Unlike Bayleigh, he's willing to work for the pure joy of working. With her, she needs to be bribed with food to enjoy it. He'd have to prove himself in other venues and pass health testing before I'd even consider it but possibly. With all that said, I'm not a breeder and I don't plan to be. I was actually thinking that after he finishes his champion title that I'd have him neutered.
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Old 06-19-2013, 01:17 PM
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Oh. I never ended up doing my fosters at the time.

Deke I would breed a thousand times over. His size, structure, temperament, and drive are all SO perfect for service work. He's dorky, he's sweet as pie, no fear issues, social when not on duty, extremely focused when on duty. He's drivey, but not overly so. Not something I'd want for a sport dog, but really awesome for service work. He'd make a lovely beginner sport dog, if they wanted to dabble and see what sports they liked. I can't think of one he wouldn't do well in. Never competitive, except maybe obedience, rally, or nosework... but overall just a ridiculously fun dog. He's up for absolutely anything you want to do, but it doesn't take a whole ton of exercise to make him easy to live with. I raised his brother, who is very similar to him in all aspects. I love his easy to maintain coat, his athleticism, he's go anywhere, do anything attitude. He's got a fantastic sense of humor and is just overwhelmed with joy by life. He's haaandsome, too. Great with all other dogs, cats, small animals, large animals, kids, elderly... and he had a pretty shitty life until he came into my hands at 10 months old. If Deke was intact and I was able to breed him, I would breed service dogs, starting with him. However, that's not the case, so I'll stick with rescues!

Bloo. Bloo is a super fun dog, though she has her issues... I'd imagine many of those issues could have been resolved if I had had her from a pup, but even right now, she's made huge strides. She's got decent structure, she's super fast, she's super drivey. Naturally well muscled. Lots of handler focus, quite possibly the most adorable and affectionate dog ever. She's got a ton of prey drive, which I could do without. She can be very testy with other dogs, but she's coming a long way with it. She's a pocket rocket. I really adore her to bits overall, and would perhaps consider it once she grows up a little more. Except she got spayed in February, lol.

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Old 06-19-2013, 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by k9krazee View Post
Mini Cattle Pirates for all!!!!!!!
Yes please! I want a whole slew of them!

As far as my personal dogs go:

Harlow, I'm honestly not sure. I don't know enough about the correct conformation of the breed to say either way. However, so far, she is super healthy, correct in color to my understanding, and not overly extreme in the face. She's got drive, but it's very hard to tap into. I think some of that is from her upbringing, as I didn't know what I know now (though still learning!), but even still, coming from a BYB I highly doubt it was there to be breedworthy. She's great with people, great with kids, can pretty much go anywhere/do anything. Good on/off switch. A little DR, but I'm almost positive that was caused by being attacked.

If I showed her in a little conformation and maybe did a little IPO training, POSSIBLY.

I'm going to say no for Rider. Though he has made huge strides, he is a very nervous dog and he's built very strange. Not sure if he has any herding drive, and I definitely can't see him being hard enough to push cattle if it got down to the nitty gritty (which is why I'm still pursuing puppy ACD).

Lucy, the foster, is another big MAYBE. She's got great structure, great drive, and is super handler focused. I would like to see her titled in agility before seriously considering it though. She can be a little reactive, but I think that stems from lack of socialization as a puppy. Also, she isn't rock solid with kids, nor with new situations. Again, I think that is attributed to her upbringing and how much she has been tossed around to different homes.

But, they are all altered and I don't have any interest breeding at this point anywho.

Iggy 2007 Chesapeake Bay Retriever :: Harlow 2010 Boxer ::
Rider 2012 ACD/BCx :: Tulsa 2014 ACD
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Old 06-22-2013, 02:55 PM
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With Frodo it should go without saying, but he is a big fat NO!

With Siri, ask me in a couple years

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Old 06-22-2013, 03:09 PM
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Bamm no way. Love him but just no.

Joey- no. He is really nice dog, but not an amazing example of the breed structurally so no.

Cricket- I know she isn't a breed necessarily but yes hypothetically speaking. Great temperament and really excels at anything you work with her on for the most part. Pretty darn solid little dog. Only major quirk is she sometimes gets a little nervous around some strangers and odd objects she has never seen before, but she is quick to get over that nervousness.
Joey- Ibizan Hound
Cricket- Mexican Street dog (we think Xolo mix)
Bamm- BC mix
Itztli- Standard size coated Xoloitzcuintli

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Old 06-22-2013, 03:33 PM
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Yes, except for Booker and Bodie. Booker has horrible knees and teeth and Bodie is nuts.

Everyone else brings something good to the table that I am proud to say will continue my line.
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Old 07-26-2013, 10:50 PM
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1) He is cryptorchid.
2) OFA shows unilateral moderate HD.

The other dog is nuts with serious phobias.
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