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Old 02-01-2013, 07:48 PM
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I found this story really interesting..albeit totally horrible for the dogs, but I didn't realize it is now illegal in places to euthanize your dog for 'no reason'.

I'm not in any way siding with these guys, but if they had taken them to a shelter...how many would have been euthanized for 'no reason'? If they couldn't place them, or feed, house, and care for them... do they deserve 9 felonies because they put them down themselves?

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Clyde, N.Y. - Two Amish men from Wayne County are accused of killing a litter of healthy puppies and their mother. “This is simply a case of animal cruelty,” says Wayne County District Attorney Rick Healy who intends to charge the pair.
The nine dead dogs were discovered in a compost pile and reported to police January 17th.

Merlin Schumacher who owns the dogs says he was trying to breed Australian Red Heelers, but when he couldn’t sell the dogs and they became “too big” he asked an employee to shoot them.

Jonathan Eicher agreed to put the dogs down.

Both Schumacher and Eicher are charged with nine counts of Cruelty to Animals.

“In the Amish it’s acceptable to put dogs down. I thought as long as you did it out back it was okay,” Eicher told police. Eicher referred to what he called “the three S’s: shoot, shovel, and shut up.”

That is where Amish custom and New York law clash. New York A.G. and Market Laws prevent the killing of otherwise healthy animals for no reason.

“They need to understand that it is illegal,” says DA Healy. “They can’t treat the animals the way they want to treat the animals they must treat the animals humanely.”

Schumacher, who owns the dogs, told police he had “raised the dogs and couldn’t put them down myself so I asked Jonathan to do it.”

Both men now face nine counts of unjustifiably killing an animal which is a misdemeanor.

Schumacher was charged Wednesday, Eicher expected to be charged Wednesday evening.
http://www.13wham.com/news/local/sto...spx?autoplay=1
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Old 02-03-2013, 11:54 AM
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I don't know, I guess it depends upon the manner that they were shot and killed in. In a lot of parts in the United States, it's still perfectly normal for people to put down dogs that are old or sick by shooting them in a specific way in the back of the head. If done correctly, the animal dies instantly. If this is what was done, then my feelings aside about the whole issue all together, no, I don't believe he should be charged anything, honestly. If he just hired some guy to go trigger happy and use the dogs as target practice however, then obviously, yeah, they should be facing jail time for that one.

However it happened, it doesn't excuse this jackass for bringing unwanted dogs into the world, only to ultimately kill them.
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Old 02-03-2013, 12:44 PM
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Erm... so when your laying hens get too old are you not allowed to kill and compost them? There wasn't "no reason," the dogs were costly and he couldn't find homes for them. Animals are killed for reasons of economy all the time. If you think that should be illegal I hope you're a vegetarian.

Ridiculous law, hopefully it doesn't catch on. First of all I don't think that the humane killing of domestic animals should ever be regulated (I mean, beyond determining that it was humane, if it comes up). Second of all it sounds like a law that is going to be abused by the squeamish.
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Old 02-03-2013, 01:03 PM
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Honestly they shot them. They didn't starve them and beat them or dump them. I don't consider it cruelty. Fat chance getting a shelter to take nine freaking dogs here!!!!

They did something before there was no food and starving dogs. What can we ask of people. Maybe someone would have taken the dogs. Maybe we would have complained about him breeding them? But he didn't starve them.

I'd prefer my horses get shot vs euthanized so wth?!
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Old 02-03-2013, 01:10 PM
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Are there kill shelters in NY? If so when they get too full do they put animals down? If so aren't they doing the exact same thing these guys did?

Personal feelings about shooting your own/someone else's pet I do live in the country and I do have friends who have put animals down in the past. I couldn't and I couldn't let them do it to one of my pets but it was never something they got sick enjoyment from. They are all animal lovers they just were raised with different ideas of 'humanely euthanizing' than I was. It was never a 'target practice' like thing. It's always a one shot and done thing.

I don't think these guys are sick 'animal killers/abusers'. I think they just grew up in a culture with a different way of thinking when it comes to caring for animals. This guy didn't decide that he didn't want them and just quit caring for them. He did what he considered humane.
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I can't even look at this objectively because it pisses me off too much that these dogs were created and then just killed for being "too big." Also I don't see anything about them not being able to feed or care for them (maybe that can be assumed, I don't know, it just says they were too big.)

And I would rather see an animal euthanized by injection vs. being shot....

I don't know. I'm not bothered by them being slapped with misdemeanors.
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Old 02-03-2013, 04:00 PM
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Look into horses being euthanized vs shot. Its often much less painful to shoot them. They fall down and are done. Euthanizing can involve broken legs and seizures and a long agonizing process that I have seen many people on the horse forum document and say they will never ever do again. I had a neighbor come down bawling a couple years ago and she wanted to stop it five minutes in and couldn't. That's a long time to die when it's not quick and painless.

My vet showed me years ago where to shoot in case there was an emergency. I never discussed it vs euthanizing. I know the newer horse vet I used put down over fifty minis in a hoarding case. Over nothing but convienance. But he said who was going to take and care for fifty fat foundered ponies? And it's the truth.

Now dogs and cats I have never seen an issue with.
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Erm... so when your laying hens get too old are you not allowed to kill and compost them? There wasn't "no reason," the dogs were costly and he couldn't find homes for them. Animals are killed for reasons of economy all the time. If you think that should be illegal I hope you're a vegetarian.

Ridiculous law, hopefully it doesn't catch on. First of all I don't think that the humane killing of domestic animals should ever be regulated (I mean, beyond determining that it was humane, if it comes up). Second of all it sounds like a law that is going to be abused by the squeamish.
This. I don't personally see an issue.
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Honestly they shot them. They didn't starve them and beat them or dump them. I don't consider it cruelty. Fat chance getting a shelter to take nine freaking dogs here!!!!

They did something before there was no food and starving dogs. What can we ask of people. Maybe someone would have taken the dogs. Maybe we would have complained about him breeding them? But he didn't starve them.

I'd prefer my horses get shot vs euthanized so wth?!
Not me!!! I have seen a horse shot, & it's is not a pretty sight, a couple of the d farm hands did that with an old mare that had a bad leg, she was otherwise ok, ex apt for a fused knee joint but she got around ok & was cognitive & eating & drinking & eating grass ... There was no reason for her to die that way.

I'm sorry, but this is the 21st century, we have euthanasia drugs for a reason, if you can't afford to care for the puppies, & the mom the I hope this mane armed. Ossining that he shouldn't be breeding what he can't afford.

I am disappointed ... I thought the Amish took better care of their animals then this
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Not me!!! I have seen a horse shot, & it's is not a pretty sight, a couple of the d farm hands did that with an old mate that had a bad leg, she was otherwise ok, ex apt for a fused knee joint but she got around ok & was cognitive & eating & drinking & eating grass ... There was no reason for her to die that way.
Obviously, they didn't do it correctly.
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