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Old 01-29-2013, 08:51 PM
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http://www.dogsnaturallymagazine.com/rabies-miasm-dogs/

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Have you have ever wondered if you should take your dog to an animal psychiatrist or behaviorist because she snaps at imaginary flies, chases shadows, or has an overly strong prey drive?

When your dog is in his crate, does he demolish his blankets so thoroughly that you are considering hiring him out as a document shredder? Does your dog frantically try to escape from your yard or home and resist capture? Is he aggressive, overreactive or overly sensitive to noise? Does he get hysterical during thunder storms? Hump everything in sight? Or suffer from a seizure disorder?

Has any illness or change in behavior occurred within days to weeks after a rabies vaccination? For example, your otherwise bold and playful puppy developed irrational fears days after his vet visit.

Have you worked on treating a stubborn, chronic condition such as a goopy ear or constant itching for months and finally have resolution only to have it flare up even worse after a rabies vaccine?

Your lovely, sweet dog had an unprovoked attack by another dog at the dog park. Other than skin wounds, your dog seems to be alright. Except now she is acting out in an aggressive manner that she’s never exhibited before. Post trauma? Possibly…..

All of the above behaviors and symptoms could be part of the rabies miasm, acquired from a rabies vaccine or even the bite of another vaccinated animal.

What about the unvaccinated puppy who is overly timid, overly aggressive, or hyperactive. She could also be suffering from inherited rabies miasm.

Other symptoms of the rabies miasm include any obsessive-compulsive behavior, difficulty swallowing, excessive gulping, drooling or sneezing, fear or obsessive desire for water or shiny objects, excessive vocalization, overreaction to normal stimuli, or tremors: anything that’s above and beyond what we would ex.pect as normal behavior. What’s similar in the animals affected at the emotional level is the lack of impulse control and the often extreme, erratic and obsessive nature of the behaviors.

One material explanation for all of these symptoms and behaviors is the strong evidence that the rabies vaccine can actually cause a low grade inflammation in the brain.
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Old 01-30-2013, 08:40 AM
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Oh geez.....

To the nutjobs that wrote this: Here's your sign.
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Old 01-30-2013, 08:48 AM
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I have heard something that before, from someone on the extreme holistic side of things (and by extreme, I mean almost radical).

And I still ask: scientific evidence, please?
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Old 01-30-2013, 09:57 AM
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vaccinosis isnt some crackpot made up thing. overvaccinating, or in some instances any vaccines at all, are HORRIBLY damaging to the body and brain and in most cases do way more harm than they could possibly protect.
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Old 01-30-2013, 10:06 AM
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I've never heard anything of this before, but a low grade inflammation that persists wouldn't surprise me. It's possible with almost every other form of vaccination, why not rabies, one of the more dangerous ones out there in terms of reactions . Human or animal.

Somebody might be trying to attribute much more to it than is probably realistic, but the basic premise isn't nutty at all.
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Yes, this is very real. Common, no, but real.
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Old 01-30-2013, 10:12 AM
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Quote from CLINICAL APPROACHES TO MANAGING AND TREATING ADVERSE VACCINE REACTIONS

by W. Jean Dodds, DVM

Adverse Events Associated with Vaccination
The clinical signs associated with vaccine reactions typically include fever, stiffness, sore joints and abdominal tenderness, susceptibility to infections, neurological disorders and encephalitis, collapse with autoagglutinated red blood cells and icterus (autoimmune hemolytic anemia, AIHA, also called immune-mediated hemolytic anemia, IMHA), or generalized petechiae and ecchymotic hemorrhages (immune-mediated thrombocytopenia , ITP). Hepatic enzymes may be markedly elevated, and liver or kidney failure may occur by itself or accompany bone marrow suppression.
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Old 01-30-2013, 10:16 AM
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vaccinosis isnt some crackpot made up thing. overvaccinating, or in some instances any vaccines at all, are HORRIBLY damaging to the body and brain and in most cases do way more harm than they could possibly protect.
What are you basing this on?

There is no doubt in my mind that for some individuals, vaccination can have harmful side effects. Having said that: Correlation is not causation, and the plural of anecdote is not data.

Being more afraid of vaccines than the diseases they protect against is one of the luxuries of living in a world where vaccination has been the norm for decades. Once the pendulum swings far enough back that we start seeing serious disease outbreaks, it will start swinging back the other way, I'm sure.
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This is something that concerns me, as I currently have a young puppy in my household. What these don't address is when is it safe to have him out and about?

I'm followed Dr. Dodds limited vaccine schedule somewhat, and Rabies is all that's left, aside from the optional vaccination at 16 to 18 weeks. Rabies is a concern in my area, we've had a few rabid skunks/opossums/coyotes in the past few years. Parvo is also a big deal here.

Vaccinating isn't always safe, but neither is NOT vaccinating at all. Where's the happy medium?
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There's no doubt in my mind that over-vaccination is a problem, and that most well-meaning pet owners over-vaccinate. There's also no doubt to me that rabies can be a tough vaccine for many dogs, and one that many dogs have a reaction to. I will always wait till 6 months plus (longer, if I can) to have rabies done, and always separately from other vaccines to be sure of what's causing any potential reaction. (Then again, I do all vaccines separately because of that.)

However, having been told that rabies miasm is responsible for everything from, oh let's see, pulling on the leash (!!!! yes, seriously), chasing small animals, resource guarding, resisting body handling, territorial aggression, and just about every physical issue under the sun, I remain extremely skeptical of claims that link just about every problem in dogs to "rabies miasm". There seems to be a group of people who desperately want to believe that any issue their dog has can't be related to environment or genetics, it's rabies miasm!!! "My dog used to let me touch his feet but now he doesn't like it! Rabies miasm!" "She pulls on leash until she chokes! Rabies miasm!" Yes, seriously. Those are things I've heard people blame on the rabies vaccination.

I mean, even in the article provided, one of the examples is a dog that sustains an unprovoked attack and then suffers behavioral changes. And the author is seriously like, "Trauma? Maybe. OR THE RABIES MIASM!!1!!1" No, it's almost definitely trauma.

Keeva was attacked unprovoked (which is kind of funny because usually she's happy to provoke, but this time she was innocent, LOL). I also had her vaccinated for rabies once her punctures had healed up and she was back to normal (probably two weeks afterwards) because she was like 7 months old. Of course she was significantly more dog reactive afterwards. RABIES MIASM?!?1 Or maybe it was being almost picked up off the ground by a dog that weighed literally 10x what she did and had every intention of eating her.

I think it's kind of unfortunate, honestly, because it detracts from the very real risks of vaccinating, and people who follow conservative vaccination protocols get lumped in with people who think vaccines are the root of all evil.

Now I'm looking at Blossom (who got her rabies vaccine the day before she was transported to me) and wondering.... she chases my cat, pulls on leash, has several obsessive behaviors, is wary of strange dogs and people... Rabies miasm, or Malinois?

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There is no doubt in my mind that for some individuals, vaccination can have harmful side effects. Having said that: Correlation is not causation, and the plural of anecdote is not data.

Being more afraid of vaccines than the diseases they protect against is one of the luxuries of living in a world where vaccination has been the norm for decades. Once the pendulum swings far enough back that we start seeing serious disease outbreaks, it will start swinging back the other way, I'm sure.
Smart lady. I totally agree.
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