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Old 02-07-2005, 06:46 PM
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Well, penning is not so bad. I think it's a good way for some dogs to learn boundaries and some animals need to get used to a smaller space in the house before they can have more room inside. I'm thinking of rabbits when I write that as they need to be in a smaller area and gradually get more space so that they don't 'forget' where their litter box is. There are other reasons too.

As most of you know Mikey has to be tied up right now until the end of the month when we move into a fenced yard. He is always supervised and he has 30 feet of 'rope' to run on. He can actually go quite far! And can almost stick his nose in the front door if he wanted. It's not he's primary form of exercise as he goes for long walks everyday. Well, right after he got neutered he was just let out to potty and then back in. I don't think he minds too much being tied up. The only thing that bugs him is Maverick who thinks it's great fun to stand just out of his reach witha stick in his mouth and tease him. I always have to go out and give Mikey a stick or bone and Maverick thinks I'm a party-pooper!

So, I don't think chaining is ideal. I think that most people who do it are not taking care of their dogs properly but I think that my dog is happy and I'm making changes so that he doesn't have to live like that.
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Old 02-07-2005, 06:49 PM
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I'd like to add that people who have their dogs living on a chain 24/7 are setting up a perfect scenario for a child to be bitten. These dogs get anxious, depressed, territorial and very often anti-social. Children are so attracted to dogs and parents aren't always watching their kids like they should, and so often never teach their kids about having respect for dogs - and other people's property; it's just a recipe for another lousy headline about a dog attack. And once again, it's all caused by a thoughtless human being!
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Old 02-07-2005, 06:54 PM
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I'd like to add that people who have their dogs living on a chain 24/7 are setting up a perfect scenario for a child to be bitten. These dogs get anxious, depressed, territorial and very often anti-social. Children are so attracted to dogs and parents aren't always watching their kids like they should, and so often never teach their kids about having respect for dogs - and other people's property; it's just a recipe for another lousy headline about a dog attack. And once again, it's all caused by a thoughtless human being!
Amen to all of that!
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Old 02-07-2005, 07:23 PM
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Dogs who spend their lives outside ought to have different owners, whether penned, chained, or loose in the yard. I've witnessed the psychological and behavioral damage that results from such treatment, and frankly it should be considered legal animal cruelty and should be punishable as a crime.
I disagree and agree with that, both at the same time. IMO if a dog lives outdoors and is properly taken care of (exercise, food, water, shelter, attention), that's fine. But if a dog lives outdoors and is NOT taken care of, I'd be ready to call animal control.
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Old 02-07-2005, 08:34 PM
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"Taken care of" means different things to different people. Sadly, for a lot of people it just means the necessities for survival are there. I think it depends a lot on the individual perspective.

But, I can't imagine having my dog living full time outside. They love being a part of the family. He loves being outside too and the couple of times we've left him out later than usual he is curled up next to the door waiting to be let back in for the night. Of course, he wakes us up bright and early to go back out! LOL
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Old 02-07-2005, 09:23 PM
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I can't imagine my dogs living outdoors either, but then again they have been indoor dogs ever since we've had them. I don't know much about their pasts--Colby was dropped off in a sack at the side of the road, May was used as a breeding dog then abandoned and Tippy was neglected and abused, left to live under a deck. Tippy lived outdoors before we got her though. She lived with a Chow and a Chow mix, a bunch of druggies and one poor little boy. She was skinny and they hit her--the only one over there that cared for her was the little boy. And because the only nice person she had in the beginning of her life was a little kid, she LOVES little kids. She's actually tried to chase down a little boy so she could play with him .

BUT, not all outdoor dogs are abused/neglected etc.. I know an ACD who lives on a farm. He has a large kennel and a large house with hay in it. He always has food and water. He's well-trained to herd the cattle. I wouldn't say it's the ideal way for him to live...personally I'd keep him indoors, but he's got a good enough life and does what he was bred for. However there are people who own outdoors dogs just for protection (chaining a Doberman to a chunk of wood is real smart) or something like that. My dogs live indoors and are great guards. Colby's got a strong bark, May doesn't bark much, but when she does it is very low, and Tippy, though she'd rather say hello to someone, has a very strong bark like a GSD.
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Old 02-07-2005, 10:25 PM
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I have a small fenced yard, so keeping her on a tie-down is not necessary. But when we do gardening and stuff out front we bring her with us, and so of course she has to be on a tie-down, or she'd run off.

I don't have a pen, but in the house, when she is alone, she's in her crate. I'm a stay-at-home mom so she's not there all day long.
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Old 02-07-2005, 10:45 PM
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If I could keep ALL of my dogs in my house i would but its impossible as many of you know. But each dog does get time in the house each day. And the kennel dogs love their kennels there more like their dens if you get what i mean like Angel prefers her kennel sometimes over running around in the pasture. And the dogs i do keep inside are the ones who absolutly cannot stand being in the kennels. Normal deal i wake up around 5am get up get woke up let the dogs out to go potty lol then call them in. Get in work clothes call the Huskies and Chinooks inside out to the barn.Feed everyone Let the rest of the Huskies and the Chins out of the barn into the field to play while i start work on cleaning out the dog pens. Then I get everyone in their harnesses and booties get them hitched run each team two hours at the most with breaks on the trail. Get back home rub down and groom all the dogs they best i can unharness and unbootie them. And while i finish cleaning the kennels and equipment the dogs once again play in the field and after im done cleaning I play with them and chillin the house with them. They get back in their kennels for the night around 5pm and then its time for dinner.

So I think my dogs have pretty healthy kennel life I think.
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Old 02-07-2005, 10:59 PM
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Love4Pits, your dogs have a really ideal life. They are getting to do what they were bred to do; they're loved, cared for, get great food, lots of attention and interaction - all the things we try our best to give our dogs. I don't think anyone can equate your dogs' kennel life with a neglected pooch stranded in the yard!
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Old 02-07-2005, 11:25 PM
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I have a 10x10 pen for Blue, mostly to keep the poop clean up easy, he is a poo eater. We also have a 40' over head run with a 12' lead on it. I dont let blue outside unsupervised unless for a short period of time and only in the pen when he is taking his time doing his business. Look at the moose picture the moose was 15' from where the run is and 20' from the pen, neighbors also have free range dogs.

I use the overhead run to work with Blue on fetching.

Im trying to figure out how to fence in the yard, the dogs love running, and still be able to move my vehicles, and big raft around and still be have a place to plow snow.
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