Dog Site - Dog Stuff
Dog Forum | Dog Pictures

Go Back   Chazhound Dog Forum > Dog Discussions and Dog Talk Forums > Dogs - General Dog Chat


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 01-12-2013, 04:51 PM
Shakou's Avatar
Shakou Shakou is offline
Top Dog
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 719
Default Those who have experience with mother dogs and puppies.... *rant/vent*

Is it okay to separate the mother dog from her puppies for long periods of time? Like, for an entire 13 hours? I have no experience with mothers and litters of puppies, but my first instinct says no.

I have a relative who has just recently started fostering a mother dog (a Dalmatian/Hound mix) and her newborn litter of puppies, and while the puppies are being lavished on, she's not being very nice to the mother. She keeps throwing her into the basement at night, while the puppies sleep upstairs, due to her having house breaking issues (my guess is she's just really stressed and nervous).

There's more to it then this of course, and I'll elaborate more later, but that just doesn't settle well with me. Am I over reacting?
__________________

"Ma'ii is always out there, waiting. And Ma'ii is always hungry." - Navajo proverb
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 01-12-2013, 04:55 PM
PlottMom's Avatar
PlottMom PlottMom is offline
The Littlest Hound
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: SoCal
Posts: 2,588
Default

If they're really small they eat every few hours (at least!) so yea keeping her away that long is BAD...
__________________
Katie

The Plotts:
UKC GRCH 'PR' Hannas Creek Liz
CCH 'PR' Jebb's Bayou Rage CA

And the "off-colored" hounds:
Daisy Duke Garrett CGC, RA & my <3 dog (basset)

Very Missed:
UKC GRCH CCH 'PR' Skyplott Teddy Bearhug
UKC CH CCH 'PR' Hannas Creek Irresistible You
'PR' Dead River K-N-A Swagger - the BAD puppy!
(and Autumn, the feist.)
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 01-12-2013, 05:02 PM
Shakou's Avatar
Shakou Shakou is offline
Top Dog
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 719
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by PlottMom View Post
If they're really small they eat every few hours (at least!) so yea keeping her away that long is BAD...

I THINK she's been feeding the puppies herself by formula, but...what about the mother? Isn't that bad for her mental health? She barks and whines, and goes NUTS down there...
__________________

"Ma'ii is always out there, waiting. And Ma'ii is always hungry." - Navajo proverb
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 01-12-2013, 05:03 PM
Flyinsbt's Avatar
Flyinsbt Flyinsbt is offline
Top Dog
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Portland, OR
Posts: 886
Default

Baby puppies need their momma. They need to eat frequently, and if they are very young, their momma cleaning them stimulates elimination. Momma is also vital to their socialization as they mature.

So yes, very bad. She could be killing those puppies, if not now, in the future, if they wind up with behavior problems from the momma deprivation.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 01-12-2013, 05:12 PM
Shakou's Avatar
Shakou Shakou is offline
Top Dog
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 719
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Flyinsbt View Post
Baby puppies need their momma. They need to eat frequently, and if they are very young, their momma cleaning them stimulates elimination. Momma is also vital to their socialization as they mature.

So yes, very bad. She could be killing those puppies, if not now, in the future, if they wind up with behavior problems from the momma deprivation.

This is exactly what I was thinking in addition to stressing the mother out above and beyond. She's moved the mother upstairs and crates her now at night for the same reasons. The dog WIGS OUT in there. I explained that getting an X-pen and lining it with puppy pads and a blanket, and placing the mother and babies in there together would probably make things a LOT better, and said relative flipped her ****... So, I don't know what's going to happen now. The mother looks sooo miserable...
__________________

"Ma'ii is always out there, waiting. And Ma'ii is always hungry." - Navajo proverb
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 01-12-2013, 05:36 PM
milos_mommy's Avatar
milos_mommy milos_mommy is offline
Top Dog
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 14,557
Default

Can you contact the rescue she's fostering through (if it's through a rescue) and tell them this is going on?
__________________
"My favorite color is green, green like newly cut grass. When it comes to green with envy, though, you can stick it up your @ss!" ~ Grammy



http://www.adorablebeasts.blogspot.com
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 01-12-2013, 05:54 PM
Flyinsbt's Avatar
Flyinsbt Flyinsbt is offline
Top Dog
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Portland, OR
Posts: 886
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Shakou View Post
This is exactly what I was thinking in addition to stressing the mother out above and beyond. She's moved the mother upstairs and crates her now at night for the same reasons. The dog WIGS OUT in there. I explained that getting an X-pen and lining it with puppy pads and a blanket, and placing the mother and babies in there together would probably make things a LOT better, and said relative flipped her ****... So, I don't know what's going to happen now. The mother looks sooo miserable...
My Tess would have destroyed things or bitten someone if removed from her pups prior to their weaning. This is really cruel to the mother dog. As well as risky for the pups.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 01-12-2013, 05:55 PM
Fran101's Avatar
Fran101 Fran101 is offline
Resident fainting goat
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Boston
Posts: 12,256
Default

I would contact the rescue and get these dogs out of there. ASAP.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 01-12-2013, 06:00 PM
Shakou's Avatar
Shakou Shakou is offline
Top Dog
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 719
Default

I know it's a Humane Society she's fostering through and NOT a rescue, but that's all I know... I'm going to give my mom a call tonight and see if she can find out.
__________________

"Ma'ii is always out there, waiting. And Ma'ii is always hungry." - Navajo proverb
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 01-12-2013, 06:06 PM
adojrts's Avatar
adojrts adojrts is offline
Top Dog
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Ontario, Canada
Posts: 4,089
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Flyinsbt View Post
Baby puppies need their momma. They need to eat frequently, and if they are very young, their momma cleaning them stimulates elimination. Momma is also vital to their socialization as they mature.

So yes, very bad. She could be killing those puppies, if not now, in the future, if they wind up with behavior problems from the momma deprivation.
^^^^This a thousand times, unless there is a valid medical reason to keep them apart and even then it isn't done that way. Here is the general rule of thumb........nursing:
1 wk old at least once every 2 hours.
2 wks old = 3 hours
3 wks old = 4 hours and so on.............

Of course that is also ensuring that each pup is getting a full nurse and milk replacer is a good choice IF you have to help momma but isn't as ideal as the real thing.
Even if she can't nurse her pups fully and they need to be supplemented with replacer, they still NEED their momma and no human can replace that.
So unless there are very, very valid reasons and recommended by a vet, then she needs to be stopped and reported.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:31 AM.


1997-2013 Chazhound Dog Site