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Old 04-08-2006, 07:34 PM
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Hi RobinKalmick -

I can understand having a dog you love and thinking you want another just like it. It's especially tempting when you have a really cute dog.

But what people are trying to say here (at least the ones who have actually offered constructive advice - the others might as well not post) is that there are a lot of things to take into account before you breed your cute little dog.

When people talk about the various health tests, they do this because so many breeds have shown up with some really nasty diseases. You would be heartbroken if you bred your dog and then the whole litter had some devastating disease that you could have avoided if you'd tested the mother and father first. Even if your dog seems to be completely healthy, he could have the potential to pass on a serious genetic defect. This is why all the testing is so important. I'm sure you don't want to bring sickly puppies into the world.

Another reason people are against you breeding is that breeding should be done for all the right reasons. To keep a breed's traits at the right level of quality, only the very best dogs should be used in a breeding program. This means the dogs that fit the breed standard (which is a written description of what the breed is supposed to be like, including bone structure, coat, eyes, temperament, size, etc.). This is usually shown by taking them to competent judges who assess your dog and tell you if it's a good example of the breed.

If we breed indiscriminately just because we think we have a nice, cute dog we can quickly get away from the proper traits that make the breed what it is. The AKC papers don't mean a thing other than someone saying that the dog was a purebred. AKC papers have nothing to do with the quality of the dog.

And then we have the whole rescue problem. Many, if not most, of the dogs in shelters are there because someone thought their dog was cute and wanted to let it have puppies. Like I said, I can understand wanting another cute dog just like the one you have. But the reality is that there are thousands and thousands of cute dogs dying everyday because people bred when they shouldn't have. It's a sad fact of life. But responsible people do NOT breed just because their dog is "cute".

I have five dogs (you can see them in my signature). The lighter colored chow is an absolute beauty. She has a perfect temperament and is being shown in conformation and obedience and will earn titles. I may breed her some day - but not until she has proven herself with titles and I've done all the health testing appropriate for her breed (including x-rays and blood tests). I could look at her right now and say "wow, she's really pretty so I should breed her" but to do so would make me a bad breeder. I don't want to take the risk that she might produce puppies with problems, so I am going to do all the responsible things first and then carefully research the background of the male I find to make sure he fits with her and can complement her strong traits and help build up where she lacks a bit.

I hope you do some serious thinking about what you want to do. Anyone who offers their bitch to you to breed is not going to be someone who has done all the proper research and testing either, so there will be a double chance that there could be problems. Do you really want to take such a risk? And do you really want to contribute to the over-population problem?

Good luck -

Melanie and the gang in Alaska
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Old 04-08-2006, 07:50 PM
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Hi RobinKalmick -

I can understand having a dog you love and thinking you want another just like it. It's especially tempting when you have a really cute dog.

But what people are trying to say here (at least the ones who have actually offered constructive advice - the others might as well not post) is that there are a lot of things to take into account before you breed your cute little dog.

When people talk about the various health tests, they do this because so many breeds have shown up with some really nasty diseases. You would be heartbroken if you bred your dog and then the whole litter had some devastating disease that you could have avoided if you'd tested the mother and father first. Even if your dog seems to be completely healthy, he could have the potential to pass on a serious genetic defect. This is why all the testing is so important. I'm sure you don't want to bring sickly puppies into the world.

Another reason people are against you breeding is that breeding should be done for all the right reasons. To keep a breed's traits at the right level of quality, only the very best dogs should be used in a breeding program. This means the dogs that fit the breed standard (which is a written description of what the breed is supposed to be like, including bone structure, coat, eyes, temperament, size, etc.). This is usually shown by taking them to competent judges who assess your dog and tell you if it's a good example of the breed.

If we breed indiscriminately just because we think we have a nice, cute dog we can quickly get away from the proper traits that make the breed what it is. The AKC papers don't mean a thing other than someone saying that the dog was a purebred. AKC papers have nothing to do with the quality of the dog.

And then we have the whole rescue problem. Many, if not most, of the dogs in shelters are there because someone thought their dog was cute and wanted to let it have puppies. Like I said, I can understand wanting another cute dog just like the one you have. But the reality is that there are thousands and thousands of cute dogs dying everyday because people bred when they shouldn't have. It's a sad fact of life. But responsible people do NOT breed just because their dog is "cute".

I have five dogs (you can see them in my signature). The lighter colored chow is an absolute beauty. She has a perfect temperament and is being shown in conformation and obedience and will earn titles. I may breed her some day - but not until she has proven herself with titles and I've done all the health testing appropriate for her breed (including x-rays and blood tests). I could look at her right now and say "wow, she's really pretty so I should breed her" but to do so would make me a bad breeder. I don't want to take the risk that she might produce puppies with problems, so I am going to do all the responsible things first and then carefully research the background of the male I find to make sure he fits with her and can complement her strong traits and help build up where she lacks a bit.

I hope you do some serious thinking about what you want to do. Anyone who offers their bitch to you to breed is not going to be someone who has done all the proper research and testing either, so there will be a double chance that there could be problems. Do you really want to take such a risk? And do you really want to contribute to the over-population problem?

Good luck -

Melanie and the gang in Alaska
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Old 04-08-2006, 07:56 PM
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Old 04-08-2006, 08:07 PM
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OK then. What titles does he have? Conformation/proformance?
What health testing have you done? (hips, ears, eyes, ect.. NOT vet checks)
You have a boy, I hope you realize the pups belong to the owner of the mother of the pups and NOT you, therfore you will only get one pup as a stud fee.

If he does not have any titles dont breed him.
Besides wanting a pup why do you want to breed?
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yeah what if that puppy that you want to keep from yourself is terribly unhealthy? it will cost you thousand of dollars over its lifetime to fight a losing battle. Do you think others that get the other pups will be willing to fork over thousands of dollars to deal with the health problems? you wouldn't want pups from your beloved boy to end up in shelters or worse, dead!
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Old 04-08-2006, 08:15 PM
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i will pray that in the future that "if" you do breed that you wont have to go threw putting your dog down and your family putting these puppies(adults) down cause you didnt want to do health testing
what if cause you had to have puppies that in 5 -10 years they have knee problems there going blind there liver is shutting down
your family is heartbroken then what ? it will be too late
at least do the testing then if he passes everything then decide if breeding is right
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Old 04-08-2006, 08:58 PM
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Robin~Take it from someone who has JUST NOW gone through the entire breeding process. DO NOT BREED YET!
My breeding was an accident, BUT, I did always expect to breed-one day.
The one day came quicker then I expected, and yes, I too caught crap everywhere I went. The only difference??I have pitbulls.
Anyway, my litter was whelped. I had 8 beautiful babies. Well, wasnt long when I lost one due to aspiriating fluids while nursing(going in his lungs) and another has a HUGE overbite. Love him to death, otherwise absolutly perfect, but I am keeping him, he has a genetic problem, I brought him here like that, I am responsible now for the rest of my life for him. Who knows what medical problems he may endure??? Another, Daizy, well, read the other post titled "Numb" and you will see my perdicament with her. There is puppy #2 I am keeping.I currently have 2 pitbulls and two peke as well. I will have 7 dogs in my house to take care of. Because the wrong thing happened, I have got to be responsible, and look at me now. I love them and thank GOD every minute I got a chance to know these bugers, but the next 15 years or so, well, dont ask me out, Im too busy!(just as my kids are gettin gold enough to leave!!!)
It is alot of work, but not as easy as you think. You fall in love so hard, you dont want to give them up.

Wait, read, learn, then make a decision.

Not to mention what you will be putting momma through, man, the pain is almost intolorable to watch.
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Old 04-08-2006, 09:04 PM
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Robin~Take it from someone who has JUST NOW gone through the entire breeding process. DO NOT BREED YET!
My breeding was an accident, BUT, I did always expect to breed-one day.
The one day came quicker then I expected, and yes, I too caught crap everywhere I went. The only difference??I have pitbulls.
Anyway, my litter was whelped. I had 8 beautiful babies. Well, wasnt long when I lost one due to aspiriating fluids while nursing(going in his lungs) and another has a HUGE overbite. Love him to death, otherwise absolutly perfect, but I am keeping him, he has a genetic problem, I brought him here like that, I am responsible now for the rest of my life for him. Who knows what medical problems he may endure??? Another, Daizy, well, read the other post titled "Numb" and you will see my perdicament with her. There is puppy #2 I am keeping.I currently have 2 pitbulls and two peke as well. I will have 7 dogs in my house to take care of. Because the wrong thing happened, I have got to be responsible, and look at me now. I love them and thank GOD every minute I got a chance to know these bugers, but the next 15 years or so, well, dont ask me out, Im too busy!(just as my kids are gettin gold enough to leave!!!)
It is alot of work, but not as easy as you think. You fall in love so hard, you dont want to give them up.

Wait, read, learn, then make a decision.

Not to mention what you will be putting momma through, man, the pain is almost intolorable to watch.
Aww I didn't know you lost a pup. Thanks for sharing your breeding experience, it might help others a lot on deciding on whether or not to breed.

Good luck with your pups.
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Old 04-08-2006, 11:01 PM
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Robin... having been in breeding for so many years....you really have to do what everyone has suggested.... otherwise all you have is a pup from a BYB who may not know quat and you end up with a pick of the litter that could be 360 from your male. Work with your dog and clubs of your breed for at least 3 years. I would say I turned down studding my males at least 80% . Be responsible and keep us in touch.
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Old 04-08-2006, 11:23 PM
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Aww I didn't know you lost a pup. Thanks for sharing your breeding experience, it might help others a lot on deciding on whether or not to breed.

Good luck with your pups.
thanx, i didnt know there was soo much to breeding. how much does all this cost. i thought that since my dog wasn't a show dog that it didnt matter who i bred my dog with as long as it was another shihtzu that was akc registered. i feel like a retard lol. i didn know my dog had to be perfect in order to breed. o yea my dog is a boy.his name is shloe moe. i didnt know everyone was gonna get on my bak for wanting to breed my dog. i just want a puppy from my dog. my golden retreiver just died a few months ago, i havent been able to stop thinking about her. my parents euthenized her because she had very bad arthritis and could barely get up. she was allergic to her own skin and when she got older the rash's got worse. she started itching her skin non stop no matter what we tryed. we spent way to much money on vet bills every few months for the same thing. she was so miserable. when i found out after school that she was gone after i had taken care of her threw all of this. i went nuts. deep down i knew it was for the best, but i couldnt handle her being gone w/ out me being able to say goodbye. even tho shes a dog, i wonder what was going threw her mind as she slowly went to sleep. any wayzz the only way i can have another dog is if i breed shloe moe, and take a puppy. im a jew were cheap, if yuh didn kno that bout jews. lol. i'd do eny thing to have another dog. not to replace my dog that was euthenized, but because i miss having a companion around. (someone to talk too) i dun have alot of friends animals are my life. i have wanted to be a vet since i knew what a vet was. i dun want to harm animals. infact i wanna kill people that do. if i had known that there was more to breeding than what i thought, trust me i would never have aksedyall for help.
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