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Old 08-14-2004, 03:45 AM
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I just happened across this message board when doing a search on "dew claws" on Google. We adopted a 14 week old Rat Terrier puppy from a rescue almost a month ago. I am guessing that she was a puppy from a "back-yard" breeder, since her tail was docked to absolutely nothing, you can't even call what is left a "nub" :-( All of her siblings were sold to a pet store, but they wouldn't take our Holly. She was born with the umbilical cord wrapped around one of her hind legs, and still favored this leg when the puppies were sold, so the pet store wouldn't take her... and she was given to the rescue. The rescue organization that had her was wonderful, and she now has 98% use of this leg. The sad thing is, neither the breeder (if you can call them that!) nor the rescue organization (even though poor Holly was spayed at 12 weeks, as a rescue policy) bothered to have her dew claws (only front legs had them) removed.

Our Holly is the most wonderful puppy, and has been through SO much already in her very short 4 month life! On her first visit to our vet after we adopted her, I asked if having dew claws would be a problem for her, and was told no. Well, tonight while at the off-leash dog park, Holly was playing with her best friend, a Doxie and got one of the dew claws on her front leg caught in Spanky's collar and almost RIPPED it totally off! Rat Terriers have both Italian Greyhound, and Whippet blood in their line. Our Holly acts very much like an Italian Greyhound... throwing her front legs out with a proud little prance! It is so obvious to me that Holly is ALWAYS going to be very "busy" with her 2 front legs... and having dew claws is NOT going to work for her!

Just wanted to put in my 2 cents on this subject! Both the breeder... that didn't think a thing about whacking off Holly's TAIL to nothing... and a rescue that put out the money out to have her spayed at 12 weeks, and for only a few dollars more could have had her dew claws removed... but didn't!

It breaks my heart to have to put Holly through having her dew claws removed at 4 months... but I can see this is going to be a big problem for her if we don't.. and want to take care of this before she is any older! We have a 2 1/2 year old JRT, and we bought her from a reputable breeder, with her dew claw removed. I have NO doubt at all that our JRT would be having the same problem if she still had dew claws!

So... for those that think all the "natural" is best. I would agree... if I had to make a choice... I would love to have a "full tail" when so many breeds are docked! I would love to see the happiness & joy my dog is feeling... instead of nothing!! Having the dew claws that are SO not needed... and can end up become a painful problem over a dog's whole life, that could have been taken care of as a small puppy... I have a BIG problem with that!

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Old 08-14-2004, 07:47 AM
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Karen, if this makes you feel any better, it's possible that your little Holly was born with a nub tail. The Toy Terrier my parents got me when I was 4 was born with just the teensiest little nub - really just a bump with hair over it. I understand that's not terribly unusual in the smaller terriers. Mickey would wag that little stub so hard her whole butt gyrated.
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Old 08-14-2004, 08:46 AM
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Hi Karen, Welcome to Chazhound Dog Forums!

Yeah, I agree. They should have removed the dew claws. They always will get hung on something. It shouldn't be very bad to have them removed now.

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Old 08-16-2004, 01:48 AM
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Thanks for letting me know about your Toy Terrier born with just a nub! Maybe this is the case with Holly, I haven't asked her vet... since there isn't anything we can do about it, LOL! My husband who used to breed Cockers, said it had been docked, so just went with what he said. We love Holly to pieces... tail or no tail!

Karen, & her girls... Lucy & Holly

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Karen, if this makes you feel any better, it's possible that your little Holly was born with a nub tail. The Toy Terrier my parents got me when I was 4 was born with just the teensiest little nub - really just a bump with hair over it. I understand that's not terribly unusual in the smaller terriers. Mickey would wag that little stub so hard her whole butt gyrated.
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Old 08-16-2004, 02:06 AM
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Thanks for the welcome... & your dew claw feedback!

I took Holly to the vet yesterday and got some antibiotics for her so that her injured dew claw (the nail did fall completely out) won't get infected. I was a little disappointed when the vet (but I have a lot of confidence in her opinion) told me she wants to leave Holly's dew claws on for now. I do still think they should have been removed by the breeder, but from what my vet said there are different "types" of dew claws. She said some are fairly easy to pull out and just snip off, but Holly's are somehow connected in another way. She would have to be put completely under to take them off, and since she was already spayed by the rescue at 12 weeks... it would be putting her under, just for the dew claws. The vet assured me that if she does continue to have continued problems, and we decide they need to be removed down the road, that it won't be any harder on her, than if she had it done now at 4 months.

Hey... maybe I can just make her something like "human wrist bands" to put around her little dew claws... maybe out of human hair bands?

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Yeah, I agree. They should have removed the dew claws. They always will get hung on something. It shouldn't be very bad to have them removed now.

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Old 08-16-2004, 07:25 AM
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Actually, Karen, what your vet told you makes a lot of sense and is very responsible, not wanting to put an animal under the stress of general anesthesia for dew claws - especially since it would mean a nice fee for some relatively easy work. If you keep the nails on those dew claws trimmed and filed off smooth it should keep problems to a minimum.

We've been fortunate that all of our dogs' dew claws have been the type that lay right in next to the concave part of the muscle above the foot and have never had any problems. Oddly enough, I've watched our Filas actually seem to use them holding onto things. I've never seen dogs do that before.
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Old 08-16-2004, 10:13 PM
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Ripley tore her right front dew claw back away from the quick on a friday night and before we could get to the vet on Mon. she had it completely removed on her own. It didn't appear to bother her too much. I'm sure it hurt initially though. Now she only has one left. When we play that one dew claw tears up my arm though if I'm not careful.
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Old 08-23-2004, 06:40 PM
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Hello

I just happened across this message board when doing a search on "dew claws" on Google.
Me too!

I just joined. I have a 5 month old cockapoo who has her dew claws (and a docked tail) and I am unsure about what to do. The vet said we could remove them, the dog trainer said to leave them on & that it's cruel to remove them at this stage, the vet tech said she'd leave them on but that they could do it if I wanted (she's being spayed on Thursday), and the lady I just spoke to over the phone to schedule Sophie's grooming appointment tomorrow said to remove them and to talk more with the groomer tomorrow, he used to be a vet tech.

I feel like I'm playing spin the bottle...lol

What I want to know is what I *should* do. This is the first dog I've ever owned as an adult and I don't have a clue!
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Old 08-23-2004, 09:51 PM
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Wellllll . . . my inclination is to say that if they're the "loose" kind that flop and aren't attached except at the base, go ahead and have them removed while she's under being spayed. Little dogs do seem to get them caught on things pretty easily.
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Old 08-24-2004, 02:29 AM
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Wellllll . . . my inclination is to say that if they're the "loose" kind that flop and aren't attached except at the base, go ahead and have them removed while she's under being spayed. Little dogs do seem to get them caught on things pretty easily.
How can I tell what kind they are? I don't have anything to compare her to.

I'm also going to talk to the groomer tomorrow and see what he says.

The dog trainer was telling me that at this stage, it's the equivalent of removing her thumb and she feels it's cruel even though she's going to be under anyway for her spaying. She said that when they do it for newborn pups, it's no big deal and pretty much just cartilage is snipped off. But now, it's like removing her thumb. She made me feel like the worst person in the world for even considering it!

And then the groomer appointment lady was telling me today that it's not such a big deal in young dogs, but as they age they can hang down and become dangerous, and that it's a "genetic mistake."

Gosh it's so confusing!

She doesn't have them in the back, only the front.
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