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Old 01-13-2005, 04:26 PM
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Yeah, I still think that it should be confidential. At least from the people who are being complained about. At least the authorities/SPCA can no who he was but the other people involved don't need to know. I can't think of a good reason why they would. It would only encourage people to "take matters into their own hands."

My parents have a very spiteful neighbour who called the SPCA on our very nice meighbour on the other side. When the SPCA came they didn't say who had placed the call but the dismissed it as soon as they saw how well the dog was cared for. We know who called though. He's a horrible, jealous, vindictive person and he is a big trouble maker on the block. He gossips and really hates my parents. I don't even know how it started. I don't think they do either. He's an old man now though. I could tell you some stories!!!!

Anyway, I'm still surprised that they would share that info.

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Old 01-13-2005, 04:39 PM
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I know how you feel Ashmore, when it comes to other dogs making your run non enjoyable. All of the dogs around here are freindly to people but now we can't take our dogs with us when we ride our bikes or such because the dogs will come out and get into a fight with our dogs. Everytime we go on a bikeride now, we have to have the dogs pinned up and they cry and dig/bite (I'm talking grasps in mouth and yanks as hard as they can) the fence to their kennel. It is so sad. And it is just because our neighbors can't keep their dogs in a fenced in yard or pinned up when they aren't out there with them.

Our dogs are kinda dog aggresive, but it is really discouraging when we can't even take them on bikerides now, because of our neighborhood dogs. Even when we walk our dogs and our dogs are on leash and behaving quite nicely, if we walk past a house that has a loose dog, their dogs will come out and attack ours.
(Ok, I only know of 2 mean Aussies and 3 mean Aussie Cattle Dogs that will actually come up and attack our dogs, but the other dogs will come out and stand right at the edge of the road barking at our dogs. Some come close and try to fight, but most of them don't.)

It just ticks me off sometimes becuase we can't enjoy walking our dogs or biking with them anymore. All because people don't have their dogs contianed. (Their dogs stay by their house when they aren't fenced in, but when you walk by their house......they explode at you if you have a dog with you.)
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Old 01-13-2005, 04:49 PM
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We had some people over at the trailer park our reprehensible neighbor put in next to Charley's farm (and as far away from his home as possible!). They leave garbage out in open containers all over the place. There are dogs across the road that are out all night; they come over (seen 'em myself on numerous occasions when I've come in late from a road trip) to the trailer park and raid the garbage. Ours go out in the morning to do their thing, part of which is to do their job, checking the pastures and the perimeter and OF COURSE they smell the garbage and go over and get into it. We had a little problem with the animal control coming over. Having access to the identity of the complainant gave me the opportunity to speak to the proper person. Problem solved.

Also, there is a basic constitutional tenet here that guarantees the right to face your accuser. This is one of those areas that could be considered gray (or grey to our Brit and Canadian compadres), but if such a basic principle is compromised, even at the most elementary, trivial level, well, it's compromised. Not a precedent that should be set, no matter how seemingly innocuous the issue.
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Old 01-13-2005, 06:27 PM
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I understand that principle, Renee. I think it's a tricky thing. I'm always on the fence about grey issues. I always see both sides. It's my curse.
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Old 01-13-2005, 06:51 PM
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The BC (my province) SPCA says on it's website that it does protect the confidentiality of people who lodge a complaint.
http://www.spca.bc.ca/cruelty/ReportingCruelty.asp

It probably is different in different regions.

You KNOW I'm not saying you're wrong Renee, just curious about different areas and practises. I totally believe you. I know you know your stuff

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Old 01-13-2005, 07:47 PM
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You and I both have to see both sides in our work; or more correctly, we see no sides, needing a more panoramic view, and we only get to opine away from our professions.

Not being familiar with the Constitution of Canada, I can't presume to soapbox about not compromising its principles. I really do try to rein myself in before I go off into something I don't know anything about . . . I really do!

Most people here believe the information is confidential, and some staff will try to tell you it is, but if challenged, it's not the kind of information that can in any legally authoritative way be protected by any kind of privacy statutes. It's often difficult to get the information at first try, but there is always a way . . .

And in the reality of a situation like that, most of the time a conclusion is going to be reached by speculating and recriminations begun with no consideration that the conclusion might just be wrong! At the end of the day the only thing that's real is what people actually do.
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Old 01-13-2005, 08:09 PM
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That reminds me of those movies and tv shows about journalists who won't give up information because they are "protecting their source." They never face any consequences for that. Reality (in Canada) is that the judge can throw you in jail for as long as you hold your tongue. My prof said that there really aren't that many journalists that would go to that extreme.

Just like there's no fifth amendment (or equivalent) in Canada.

Back to the subject. There is always a way to get information, that's for sure! I'd have to look into the Canadian laws more. I'd like to believe that or Charter of Rights and Freedoms or Protection of Privacy act would help but I don't really know for sure.
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Old 01-13-2005, 08:24 PM
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If there is a leash law, which there is here, people call the police, which they do here. Its a law that needs to be enforced, and the should give them a warning. I personally have never done it, but a friend asked her friend to call for her so she did (after witnessing it herself, or course), and a warning was carried out. Problem solved for her. And her name was not given out.
Just a thought, idunno
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Old 01-13-2005, 08:48 PM
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I called the police once when a dog was riding (loose) in the back of a pickup on the highway. Really peed me off.

I gave them his plates and everything. I guess they gave him a warning.
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Old 01-13-2005, 08:58 PM
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Good for you!

I always hope that warnings are enough for people like this...
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