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Old 12-02-2012, 10:56 AM
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I just read that Villalobos will start training service dogs.

How is that going to work? I asked what tasks they will train and , how long will the dog be trained for.

I dont see this as a good thing , i see it as a train-wreck. Am i being pessimistic? ?

I went out to see the place after I posted here (when i was wondering if it was a good place ) and was ran off by the security guard. So no help from me , and today i read on facebook this.

I dont know if this is just my kneejerk reaction or what , but the stores just got a lot more dangerous around here.

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Old 12-02-2012, 11:10 AM
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Hahaha, I totally spent my morning talking to friends about this.

I would love to know who is running their program and what their qualifications are.
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Old 12-02-2012, 11:14 AM
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It COULD be a good thing. There are programs that specifically use rescues in their SD training programs.

Like anything else, it all comes down to how -- and why -- it's done.
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Old 12-02-2012, 11:16 AM
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It COULD be a good thing. There are programs that specifically use rescues in their SD training programs.
Unfortunately they never seem to be renown for their greatness either.
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Old 12-02-2012, 11:17 AM
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If this was a diffrent rescue I may be more easy with it , but with my recent look intoa I am just thinking this is going to be bad.

I am just stunned really.
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Old 12-02-2012, 11:29 AM
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Unfortunately they never seem to be renown for their greatness either.
I have to wonder if some of that isn't the "regular" breeder based programs slanting things. No SD program is 100% great. There are wash-outs, there are going to be less-than-stellar placements and even some unfortunate incidents. You're dealing with too many variables among two different species -- people and dogs, and often it seems the dogs aren't the difficult or unpredictable end of the equation.

The one thing that does seem to be consistent is that there are jerks on both sides of the breeder/rescue fence who don't want to allow the other to exist.

They forget it's about the DOGS.

Or maybe, for them, it never was . . .

I don't know how this one's going to turn out, but I would hope it could go well.
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Old 12-02-2012, 11:31 AM
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Oh, god, no... I hate Villalobos. This is a horrible idea.

That being said, I use exclusively rescues when I train. I eventually plan to have a facility so I can do both simultaneously.
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Ugh, just NO.


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There are programs that specifically use rescues in their SD training programs.
Yes, there are. Some are successful. They are the ones that properly screen the dogs and wash out dogs that end up not being suitable. They are the ones that will wash out 100 dogs to find the ONE dog that will go on to work successfully as a service dog. They are the ones that do health screens, temperament tests, and train a dog properly. They're the ones that know what to look for in a service dog candidate to stack the odds in their favor. Nobody really knows why, but the vast majority of hearing dogs are from shelters, and they do a FANTASTIC job. Nobody's really been able to set up a breeding program for hearing dogs yet. My guess is that many small dogs with a CRAPTON of drive end up in shelters, and those are the dogs that make the best hearing dogs.

BUT, there are just as many, if not more, that scoop all the dogs out of rescue they can, train them minimally, and then pass them off as service dogs to their new handlers, who then have no idea how to control their poorly trained dog. They don't wash out dogs, they don't know what to screen for to increase their odds of success, they don't train properly, etc. We have a program in my state that's like that. I've had direct experience with some of their dogs, and there is NO WAY I'd ever get a dog from them after handling them.


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Not exactly. A service dog program is not about rescuing dogs. The goal is not to place as many dogs as "service dogs" as possible. The goal should be to place well-trained dogs that can successfully assist their HUMAN handler without causing further problems. If the dogs that are successful are rescues, great! If they're from breeders, great! If they're from the program's own breeding program, great! But it should never, ever be about just placing a dog. It need to be about the HANDLER. If the handler's needs aren't being met or the dog is creating a problem, that dog is not going to last long in that placement. Nevermind that it's cruel to put a dog into public access when they can't mentally handle it. Gavroche, for example, would never be happy in public access, while Logan just LOVES it. Gavroche was washed out for a reason.

Too many people invest too much emotion into this sort of thing. Choosing service dog candidates should be as void of emotion as possible, really, and based on the facts in front of you - regardless of where the dogs are coming from.

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Old 12-02-2012, 12:07 PM
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I meant the rescue part is about dogs, Sal. I should have been clearer. And the breeding should be, too.

When you add in the service aspect, you're absolutely right, the focus has to be on the fit and how well the pair functions together.

It seems, though, that the same ego problem asserts itself there as well -- each side is hell bent on discrediting the other and they really don't care about what matters.
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Old 12-02-2012, 05:13 PM
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Yes, there are. Some are successful. They are the ones that properly screen the dogs and wash out dogs that end up not being suitable. They are the ones that will wash out 100 dogs to find the ONE dog that will go on to work successfully as a service dog.
If I remember correctly, Lizzy trains hearing dogs for an org that works with rescued dogs. Maybe she'll see this thread and jump in, but IIRC she said that for every 1,000 shelter dogs they assess they get one candidate, who may or may not wash out at some point in training.
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