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Old 01-09-2005, 05:50 AM
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Hi

I know I'm new and everything but I have had a similar wake up call with my collie. He didn't bite, but he snapped when we tried to take his bone away the other day. First time.

Now he's 10 months old so I know he's hitting the bratty teenage stage full on, and now is the time he will test the waters. However it's also made me really *look* at his behaviour and most importantly, look at *my* behaviour!

I realised that he had been acting brattier for a while and part of the problem was while I asserted my authority in some ways (making him sit/drop for dinner etc), I was still giving him attention when he wanted it and with attention on tap, why should he respect me?

The point is, I don't think she was being 'aggressive' as such, but hugging is a dominant gesture on your part and if she's suddenly reacting to this, it really does sound like she was asserting her authority.

Maybe you should just toughen up what you are already doing? Are you already practising NILIF?

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Old 01-09-2005, 11:16 AM
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Hugging a dog or holding the dog on either side of it's head, to a dog resembles the language they use when aggressing one another or challenging. This hugging of your dog up close put her on the defensive. Sometimes we forget that they're dogs and not people. Many dogs don't recognise a hug as a sign of affection. Hugging is like another dog's teeth on their neck. Having your face in their face is like another dog's stare which is a sign of aggression to your dog. That is not their body language for affection. Don't be crushed. Your dog loves you, but this threw her off.

Couch privelges need to stop for now. You need to make sure she knows that you're her leader. Do you do obedience training on a regular basis? Here's a site that will help with re-affirming you as the one to look up to. This and your understanding of dog language should help.

http://www.ddfl.org/behavior/nilif.htm
http://www.hilltopanimalhospital.com...ggression1.htm
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Old 01-09-2005, 12:22 PM
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Well, I was still sad about it all day yesterday. Addie seems to realize she did something very bad...she is coming to me being totally submissive. Her ears go back, she practically crawls with her head down. Even tho she recently had a check-up, I don't think she is really feeling up to par...not ill, just not great either. I'm NOT making excuses for her behavior, but I have been trying to think about it very clearly. I never thought about the 'hugging' ....I saw she was looking at me, went over, bent down and was doing the big ole hug....it really may have freaked her out.

Serena, that's the strangest thing...Hammie was upstairs. IF he had been coming in the room or even around, I may have thought it had something to do with him. The futon is the one piece of downstairs furniture they are always allowed on...they come and go on it as they please. They actually usually both sleep on it peacefully, especially when I'm in this room working on the computer.

Now...my question is.....how should I have immediately responded? I sort of was so shocked...I did yell...BUT I know that if I just suddenly yell, she gets more frightened which may lead to more snappiness. (hope that made sense) I need to know exactly how I should handle the situation should this happen again. So that I don't just overly excite her...yet establish my authority.

Addie and I had some private girl time yesterday....we ate some pasta. I walked with her more, too. She really does hate it in the house for more than a couple hours.....I've been giving her some private time outside which she really, really loves.

I truly think she momentarily forgot who she was snapping at....she is so used to bossing Hammie, and she rules the air the cat breathes. Again...not making excuses...just putting in a better perspective. Sorry everyone...it may seem so silly to some people, but it was an experience that upset me to the max. Thanks for all suggestions.
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Old 01-09-2005, 12:54 PM
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I understand your upset totally. The thing is, this is not the type of behavior you can handle head on. If you react aggressively, it can exasperate the problem. The only way to really deal with it and cure the underlying problem is to #1: don't put your face in the face of a dog. #2: Try my suggestions for establishing a sensible dog/owner relationship....one where she is looking to you and depending on you for all her resources.
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Old 01-10-2005, 02:18 AM
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I've been told the best thing to do if your dog nips you is to yelp loudly - teaching them that it is not on. I figure reacting aggressively or smacking them is only going to make the problem much worse.

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Old 01-10-2005, 03:10 AM
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I just found this: http://www.k9deb.com/socialis.htm
Could be useful. I really like that site.
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Old 01-10-2005, 10:12 AM
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I can see why you like the site, Saje. That is good, common sense, nothing fancy advice.

I've used that technique in a more limited time period with Kharma when she was deep in the throes of adolescent brattiness. It didn't take 48 hours - just an evening! These Filas are so tenderhearted and emotionally dependent on their owners that it doesn't take much. Plus, I have Bimmer to enforce obedience! You should see him when I tell one of the girls to do something and they don't do it . . . he's definitely my Enforcer! And he always looks at me to get the okay before he does it, which I find just utterly, utterly, well, Bimmer!

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Old 01-10-2005, 06:13 PM
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I'm sorry to hear about that Debi. I can only imagine how hurt my feelings would be and how shocked I would be if one of my dogs bit me.
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Old 01-11-2005, 12:59 AM
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and a vet, just in case.
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Old 01-11-2005, 12:59 PM
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I know I'd certainly be too nervous to try the alpha roll....I totally admit to not having enough experience. I will suspend her priviledge, for sure.

when the 2 dogs are together in the same room, I notice she will still get so very testy. This behavior is only indoors...she seems to have so much fun with Ham when they are outside. Indoors, she doesn't want to allow him anywhere near us. She is her usual sweet self....until he walks into the room..IF we're in that room. It is as if she suddenly can't stand him..........but only in the house. Should I stand over her and calmly, but firmly say STOP? Obviously I'm still concerned with not wanting to seem like I am always angry at her when he is around....I don't think that helps her, but I can't let her be sooooooooo overbearing and bossy. hope that makes sense. She's only been this since winter began.......sure is making life indoors unpleasant. Everyday I am amazed that Ham nevers gets upset with her lashing out......he usually just goes to another room...but that's sad to me, too.
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