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Old 02-01-2006, 05:55 PM
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There have always been dog fights in Albany, but lately its been getting heavy. Talk of the two stolen pits the other day makes me want to do something about the problem. I don't think it will be too long before we get slapped with BSL. So, heres what I'm thinking: I want to start breeding/showing pitbulls around my area and providing responsible owners with well tempered, healthy, and all around ideal pit pups. I want to show those who are opposed to bully breeds and those who are on the fence that a pit bull is no more aggressive (when properly raised) then say, a lab. The way I see it, the less people that are scared of or opposed to pits and other bully breeds, the less chance we have of BSL banning the bullys. I know that this will most likely be a life-long dedication and that it requires an investment of time, money, and love but its something that I want to pursue. Of course, I can't do this anytime soon due to a lack of resources, but its never to early to start getting experience with dog breeding.

My questions to the breeders are:

- What is a good way to get involved with breeding at my age. How can I gain some experience for later on?

- What kind of health checks are necessary to be passed before breeding?

- Roughly, how much money should be expected to be invested in a period of one year?

- I heard that in a good year, the breeder will break even. True or False?

- Whats a decent price to sell the pups at? What factors should determine the price?

- Is it wise to use a stud service?


Thanks for reading, if anyone has any input, please feel free to post. I'm sure I'll have more questions soon.
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Old 02-01-2006, 06:06 PM
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I'll have to do some heavy thinking on this one.....think you should too..........Don't count on making any money !!
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Old 02-01-2006, 06:07 PM
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I'll have to do some heavy thinking on this one.....think you should too..........Don't count on making any money !!

Honestly, I'm not in it for the money.
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Old 02-01-2006, 06:15 PM
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Whats a decent price to sell the pups at? What factors should determine the price?
I think that the prices vary depending on the bloodline you use. Other factors go into it also. Are you going to register the dogs and puppies?
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Old 02-01-2006, 06:17 PM
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I think that the prices vary depending on the bloodline you use. Other factors go into it also. Are you going to register the dogs and puppies?

I want to get them registered, yes.
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Old 02-01-2006, 06:47 PM
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i dont think that there is really a need to breed pit bulls, not in this area of the country. there are some really good breeders, but there are TONS of pits in rescues and shelters -- unless you have the time, money and experience to do it WELL (have you even owned a pit before?) - and doing it will involves complete health testing, titling the dogs, working them, showing them - then just focus on rescue and education.

have you spoken to pit rescuers, or been to pit bull boards?
you may want to check out www.pitbullforum.com
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Old 02-01-2006, 06:52 PM
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- What is a good way to get involved with breeding at my age. How can I gain some experience for later on?- What kind of health checks are necessary to be passed before breeding?

personally at this time you havent even owned the breed or shown a dog - before you get anywhere near breeding, you need a lot more years of experience just being a DOG owner - find out what its like to own a pit, the issues associated with it, and the problems and such. find out what it takes to show and train a dog - find out what life is like with a bully breed. after you have lived this for a few years, THEN consider what it takes to breed (if you even want to do that)

- Roughly, how much money should be expected to be invested in a period of one year?
depends on the number of dogs you have, and what you do. showing your dog in breed ring and actually in ANYTHING - is expensive. every time i went to a show, it cost me about 300 each weekend, more if i was travelling far or staying in hotels.

some links:
http://www.dpca.org/before.you.breed.html
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/F...244/costs.html

in short - thousands. even if you arent breeding. showing and owning show dogs (be they obedience, breed ring, agility, etc) costs you a TON.


- I heard that in a good year, the breeder will break even. True or False?


false, IMO and IME with other breeders. unless you are breeding an insane amount of litters (which is in and of itself wrong), theres no way to break even or get ahead.

- Whats a decent price to sell the pups at? What factors should determine the price?
this really depends on the dog. would i pay 1200 bucks for the pup from muffy and fluffy, because they were cute? nope. would i pay 1800 for a pup from titled on both ends parents, who have complete health testing, from a breeer with a reputation that shows she is working towards breeding a total dog? of course.


- Is it wise to use a stud service?
no reason not to - its very rare that the BEST DOG for your bitch is the one in your own household - breeding is about bettering the breed, not just making puppies. you need to find the right dog that matches the bitch - this involves pedigree evaluation, checking health clearances, finding out what the faults are and how you can improve BOTH dogs, etc.
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Old 02-01-2006, 08:04 PM
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I personally would get a Pit as a pet before you decide to breed. Really decide if this is the breed for you and if you want to dedicate yourself to breeding.
Best thing I can suggest as far as gaining experience and "getting your feet wet" in breeding, showing and training is to talk to as many people as possible. Learn the standard, and go to some shows. Look at the dogs and judge them yourself, get to know the breed. Get to know what a good temperament is, then go to trials and watch the dogs at work. In just being there you will learn so much about the breed, and will most likely get a chance to get your hands on some nice dogs. If you get to talking to someone and you like them, give them your phone number or email address, or get theirs. It's good to have those contacts, and you can meet up at shows if they're going to be in the area. Some of the people you meet will be breeders who may be able to help you along the way.
As far as money goes, don't expect to break even or make money. I expect to lose a few thousand dollars on a litter, and that's only if everything goes perfectly as planned. (never does.)
I have a dog that I'm going to be showing in agility and in preparing for it I've found that it is NOT cheap to title your dogs. If you only go to local shows, it's less expensive but entry fees will add up, as can the costs of equipment, training, medical care and not to mention a LOT of your time. By the time Dakota is ready to compete I'll probably be out a couple thousand dollars. If you're showing in the breed ring and don't want to handle your dog yourself, you'd pay for a professional handler which can run you about $100/day. (Some charge less, some charge more)

I'd definitely recommend getting involved with the breed before making any decisions to breed. If you decide you really love the breed and want to get one, I would personally get a pet quality dog first and title it in weight-pull, agility, obedience etc. and prove yourself as a dedicated owner. If you have a neutered pet you can still learn to handle, and junior handling is a great way to prepare yourself for the breed ring.. Being active in competition with your pets will be a huge push in the right direction when you decide you want a foundation stud/bitch and make inquiries with breeders. A good breeder is far more likely to place a show quality dog/bitch in a home that is experienced with the breed and dogs in general, rather than somebody who is very new to it all.
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Old 02-01-2006, 08:33 PM
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Thanks for all the input.

This is definately a plan for the distant future. I just want to know how I can gain experience and prepare myself for whatever may face me. I think its a good idea, what with the byb's ruining what responsible breeders have gained. I'm not going to rush into it, I know the risks and I understand the shelter issue. I just dont want to see this breed banned. I like the idea of adopting a pit, I always wanted to own one. Im going to see if there are any shows around I can attend to get a better feel for the breed.
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Old 02-01-2006, 08:54 PM
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Gempress posted a similar question here recently.

Not to repeat myself, but in my opinion, the best way to go about this is to find a mentor who is willing to take on an "apprentice" so to speak and teach you all they know. You might be required to put in your share of work (clean kennels, run errands, help feeding, grooming and exercising dogs etc.), but I don't have the slightest doubt that you'd have fun doing it. I know i did.
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