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Old 11-15-2012, 07:19 PM
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I always thought that declaring secession unconstitutional was a lot like making suicide a crime

That made me giggle.
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Old 11-15-2012, 08:23 PM
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Some of those dams were built to water E. Washington. The Grand Coulee wiped out all the salmon above it since it does not have a fish ladder.

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Old 11-15-2012, 09:05 PM
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I always thought that declaring secession unconstitutional was a lot like making suicide a crime
I keep meaning to look into this, but Im pretty sure AK cannot secede even if we wanted to. Dont get me wrong Im down with it, Im pretty sure we could even afford to payout Sam for the federal infrastructure.
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Old 11-15-2012, 09:30 PM
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Letting some of those States secede might actually be a good thing. They are huge money suckers. They get a lot of federal money and put hardly back in the economy.

My husband and I have been making jokes about making them territories. Let them secede, conquer them again, make them territories. Don't let them back in the Union.

Make Puerto Rico a state in their place.
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Old 11-15-2012, 09:36 PM
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Sorry, if Texas was successful in secession, yeah, they would not last long at all. I think it is ridiculous to use it as some kind of threat when there is no real plan.

And for governors trying to block the affordable health care act, again, ridiculous. Obama was voted in TWICE, by the majority, and one of his biggest platform positions was on reforming healthcare. Now, I am not happy with the act as it stands personally, it needs to go much further.

If you (general you) dont like the way the federal government is running (which I dont think anyone is totally happy with in all aspects) come up with an actual viable working plan. I hear a lot of pipe dreams but see very little that would actually work in the real world. Get a viable plan that does not ostracize huge chunks of the population. Stop trying to use one religion as the basis of policies.

Yes, I will lump all the people who signed a petition to secede into a group...its absolutely ridiculous
although not likely to actually happen & DEFINITELY NOT peacefully, TX is one of the few states that could THRIVE as an independant country. they have the 2nd largest GDP in the USA (larger than mexico's and about equal to australia), they have a stong defense industry manufacturing base, world class university system, one of the largest ports in the USA (and several smaller ones with room to grow), and a substantial amount of surplus petroleum refining capacity. ASSUMING a peaceful secession and 90% or more active duty military personnel returning to their homestate, and retaining all reserve unit & at least 50% of the active duty military hardware currently in state, TX would have the combat power AT LEAST equal to pakistan (which is significantly stronger than mexico) and up to equal to iran (minus the nukes).
obama was voted in by approximately 27% of registered voters, not exactly a mandate. about half of all registered voters failed to vote, some because they didn't see ENOUGH difference between the two candidates. which is pretty accurate if you look at their actual performance record. in fact, obama wasn't significantly different from bush in the ways that garnered the most complaints. the ONLY difference between bush, obama & romney is whose buddies are going to get rich off mispent tax dollars.
the only viable plan is one that is going to allow industrial growth and leave the middle class and below more money to spend while eliminating deficit spending and generating a surplus with which to begin eliminating the debt. neither republicons nor demoncrats are willing to put forward such a plan as career politicians lack the testicular fortitude to be real leaders & make the hard decisions that would benefit the country & infuriate a lot of special interest groups.
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Major issue with letting Texas secede is there are a LOT of military bases there. Including Lackland, which is the only existing base for the USAF's BMT training.

That would definitely require a lot of moving around.
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LOL said it better than I could
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Lol--maybe dropping a few states wouldn't be such a bad idea....

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Major issue with letting Texas secede is there are a LOT of military bases there. Including Lackland, which is the only existing base for the USAF's BMT training.

That would definitely require a lot of moving around.
Texas is another state that could buy their secession with their mineral wealth.
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Again, though: no one is seceding. The SCOTUS decided the issue in 1869, and found that it's unconstitutional.
bogus decision by a scotus packed w/ reconstruction judges by the republican party (yes the same party that ended slavery also opposes excessive welfare and supports deregulation of business).
at least one CURRENT scotus justice has officially stated that secession could be legal IF done w/ the consent of the federal govt.
in actual law the constitution did not SPECIFICALLY address secession nor has any amendment, nor has the congress bothered to pass a law against it since the yanks won the war. however the constitution DOES give congress the SOLE authority to dispose of US territory. (and no it doesn't say the president has to sign off on it, nor does it require a 2/3 majority)
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