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Old 11-07-2012, 01:23 PM
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You might. Most people probably would not. So what's your solution, let people who can't find a job starve?
Let people who can't find a job starve. Let their kids drop out of school to work, because education is a privilege. Let the crime rates rise because of increase in poverty, but if we give everyone guns they can protect themselves. Let people die of diseases, people not be able to afford to vaccinate their children. No one can afford healthcare except the wealthy, so why allow anyone except the wealthy go to college, become doctors, search for cures for cancer and AIDS?
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Old 11-07-2012, 01:25 PM
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This is the problem with entitlements. All they see is the word FREE. They have no idea what that actually entails. All these people say they are getting Obama money, well it isn't actually coming out of HIS pocket.

The people that want the free don't know what it is like to have 50% of their income that they busted their ass for taken away and handed out to people who aren't working.
I have been working full time since I was 13 (full time meaning 40-80hrs/week when not school, multiple part time jobs totaling minimum 20 hours a week while in school) and paying my full share of taxes for the last decade as an adult who is out of shool and I support universal health care. Nothing free about it. Step down off the high horse.
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Old 11-07-2012, 01:26 PM
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Why is it suddenly scary or a new idea that some of us pay for other people's healthcare? I've been paying for other people's free healthcare my whole working life. Up until now it's just been called "my health insurance premium going up to cover all the people who went to the ER and got free health care despite not having insurance." At least now they can go to a regular doctor and earlier where it won't cost as much.
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Old 11-07-2012, 01:26 PM
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Oh man this is why I stay away from politics LOL. I totally get not wanting to help people who don't deserve it. I don't get willing to sacrifice the people who can use the help because of it. I understand not trusting the government to spend it the right away. What's the alternative though? Get another kind of privatized institution like insurance companies, that will care more about how much $$$ they make in the end rather than how to help people? No thanks.
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Old 11-07-2012, 01:27 PM
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Let people who can't find a job starve. Let their kids drop out of school to work, because education is a privilege. Let the crime rates rise because of increase in poverty, but if we give everyone guns they can protect themselves. Let people die of diseases, people not be able to afford to vaccinate their children. No one can afford healthcare except the wealthy, so why allow anyone except the wealthy go to college, become doctors, search for cures for cancer and AIDS?
Exactly. That's why Republicans scare me, frankly.
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Old 11-07-2012, 01:29 PM
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People need to stop with the underhanded insinuations.

Last night I went to bed as "me", and yet today I'm stupid, I'm a racist, I'm backwards, I'm for letting poor people starve to death while I sit back and each popcorn and watch a movie..............I could go on.

In fact, I had a very nice facebook private message from someone telling me he/she is surprised at how I can be a college-educated woman and be an ignorant and racist upper-class bitch. All because I voted for Romeny. It seems a vote for Romney equals bringing back slavery, putting poor people to death in gas chambers, and wanting to brand homophobic epithets onto gay people. And if a college-educated woman could do such a thing, it was a complete waste of time and money to even bother with an education to squander it on someone so stupid.

As for college, I busted my ASS in the classroom and on the soccer field to get those scholorships that paid for my tuition and much of my rooming and food. I busted my ASS in college to keep those scholorships. When I lost my athletic scholorship due to a career-ending injury, I got two jobs, 1 at a local hospital and the other teaching drivers' education. I just wanted it to be known that I didn't have mommy and daddy hand me money every Sunday to go play.
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Old 11-07-2012, 01:29 PM
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Why is it suddenly scary or a new idea that some of us pay for other people's healthcare? I've been paying for other people's free healthcare my whole working life. Up until now it's just been called "my health insurance premium going up to cover all the people who went to the ER and got free health care despite not having insurance." At least now they can go to a regular doctor and earlier where it won't cost as much.
This. I can pay in higher taxes or I can pay in higher premiums because people who don't have health insurance use public hospitals emergency rooms as their primary care facility.

And I've been working steadily since I was 13.
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I have been working full time since I was 13 (full time meaning 40-80hrs/week when not school, multiple part time jobs totaling minimum 20 hours a week while in school) and paying my full share of taxes for the last decade as an adult who is out of shool and I support universal health care. Nothing free about it. Step down off the high horse.
Me, too. It's not free. But with or without universal health care and with or without the government involved, those of us who work for a living pay for other people's health care. There's nothing new under the sun, I've just been subsidizing other people's care primarily through my insurance premiums instead of my taxes up until now.
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Old 11-07-2012, 01:33 PM
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I've never liked the use of the words capitalist, socialist, communist, etc. Economics and government is much more complicated then those simple terms.
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Old 11-07-2012, 01:35 PM
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I just love how people who think that wanting a safety net for society are all freeloaders. Or that people who lose their job and need to be on welfare for more than a week feel so entitled to it. People using the system are shamelessly are not that common. People who fall through the cracks and don't have a lot of options, are.

People who don't know any better. Who don't have the surrounding, support, will, or goal to do better. Who stopped going to school in 6th grade and nobody cared. What do we do with them? Let them starve? Build a low class ghetto we send them to? I'm sorry, I don't want to live in a society like that. I'm glad I don't. And my cut is not nearly 50%, maybe 30.
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