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Old 01-25-2006, 04:10 PM
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Question My puppy and my friends child.....

My puppy is an American Bulldog, Stoli, and she is 8 weeks old. I just got her over the weekend. The past couple nights I have brought her over to my friends home for TV night....we have gotten together for a couple years now to watch 24, and American Idiots....er....Idol. Anyway thier daughter, who is 4, goes absolutly balistic over the puppy. My question is....is Stoli to young to be around the 4 year old? The child pokes her, of course we tell her not to but she doesn't listen to her parents very well....and of course she is only 4....she also grabs her paws and manipulates them....puts her feet and hands in her face and taunts her...and basicaly just torments her.....My friend thinks it is good for her so she can get used to it....What do you "PROS" think? Thanks

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Old 01-25-2006, 04:44 PM
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Well, as for my experience in this area. I have a 3 year old niece who is absolutely in love with my 4 month old Beagle "Bailey".

I have had him a couple of months now, and it has taken several interactions together, and play days in the yard to get Bailey to not attack her pant legs and jump up on her. I have taught Blake (my niece) not to run from him, and the behaviors of hers that result in his undesirable behaviors. I am 100% tuned into their interactions, and never leave my focus on them when together. I am scared he might "play nip" her, which could hurt. So far so good.

In a nutshell, I feel they just need "supervised" play time together and the child needs to be taught what is acceptable and unacceptable behavior with the puppy. Reinforce the fact that the child could get bit and that might hurt. I am not sure how cooperative this child is, but my Niece is such a wonderful child, and we have been fortunate of her good bahavior around Bailey and for this we have many fun weekends in the yard playing which is great for them both.

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Old 01-25-2006, 04:46 PM
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I think it's good that your puppy is socialized with kids BUT you need to make sure it's not a traumatizing experience... If she really annoys your puppy, you might end up with a puppy that is scared of children. I would supervize closely and if the child really goes too far, I would stop bringing the puppy there. What you're saying sounds ok to me, but if she starts doing things that might hurt the puppy, it won't be good.

Honestly, nothing irks me more than parents who say that it's normal for their children to do such things, that they are young anyway and just let them do it. 4 year olds are young, but they can listen, and it's never too early to learn to respect animals.

On a side note, your pupppy seems to be really good natured if she puts up with it and doesn't try to nip and bite
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Old 01-25-2006, 04:46 PM
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I'm not necessarily a pro - but here's my opinion:
I think the child shouldn't be doing that. And if she does do it and refuses to listen to her parents then she should have a time out. That's tormenting the puppy, and could cause fear issues, that will be harder to work out when she's older.

No dog, regardless of age or breed should be treated as such. The child needs to learn how to treat dogs with respect so she doesn't run the risk of getting bit in the future. I don't tolerate that sort of behavior from my nephews and neice in regards to my own dog.. .But that, again, is just my opinion.
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Old 01-25-2006, 04:59 PM
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Ok. This is going to be blunt.

I would not choose to expose my dogs, especially a little baby puppy in the adjustment period, to uncontrollable children who tease it and will not take instruction on how to approach and interact with the dog.

My puppy would stay away from this environment until your friends teach their child some manners.
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Old 01-25-2006, 06:08 PM
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Thank you all for the quick replies. I am very concerned about this. I spend a lot of time with these friends. I want them to have a good relationship. My other Bully and her got along so well together. I am going to have a more serious talk with them about their childs behavior when Stoli is there with me. How far is to far though?
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Old 01-25-2006, 06:11 PM
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I'm not sure, I would say anything that seems too much for you.

I wish you good luck, I know that the subject of how to raise children is sometimes a hard one.
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I would just teach her that if she acts rough around him they he is going to go away..That should probaly work!
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Old 01-25-2006, 07:10 PM
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Fran: That's the thing....I feel that just her putting her hands in Stolis face is to much....It would be one thing if it was just her sitting there playing with Stoli...The other night when I told my friends I may not bring the dog back until she gets older seemed kind of upset....I DO NOT want a 75 pound kid chomper though.

RR: I think that is exactly what I am going to say....we will see what happens. Thank you.
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Old 01-25-2006, 07:29 PM
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To me a kid who does any sort of rough play isn't kosher. I've been in your shoes; my nephews have both hit and kicked my dog "in play" - according to their mother.

I gave up on their mother and the last time it happened I pretty much grabbed the youngest boy, looked him dead in the eye and said "Do not do that to Mojo. That is not allowed. If you want to play with him you must learn how to pet him first."

He attempted to kick my dog again, and I literally picked him up, said a very stern "NO." and walked away with Mojo beside me. That youngest boy is not allowed to pet, touch, play or go anywhere near my dog without close supervision. I have gotten to the point however that I jsut won't take my dog over there to visit.

Their parents attitude is mroe or less - kids will be kids and should be allowed to be kids. But dogs are not allowed to be dogs, and no matter if my dog is provoked to biting then it's the dog's fault not the child's. I won't take that risk with Mojo now.

This is why I think the child is the one who needs to be trained first, before Stoli is trained. Stoli is still rather at the helpless new born stage. Her parents wouldn't let a 4 year old treat a newborn baby like that - why should she be allowed to treat your puppy that way?

But to be more specific - if the child's hands are in your dog's face that is a no-no. If the child is teasing, manipulating or pulling the puppy's tail, legs, ears, or paws that is a no no. If the child will not allow the puppy to sleep when it's trying to sleep that is a no no.

Basically I think you may have to leave your puppy at home when you go to visit their home until Stoli is much older and has been trained better bite inhibition, and is fully vetted, not to mention in training learning her own basic obedience.
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