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Old 10-23-2012, 01:41 PM
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Fat, get him fat.
Did I mention his other breed is most likely boxer?
With my luck he'd just be a fat hyper dog with blown out knees and bad hips!
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I wonder if some people actually believe they are different breeds.
Many people do.
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My puppy is only a lab mix and he is absolutely insane. I can imagine!
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My pet peeve is "Golden lab" or "yellow retriever". REALLY?
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I wonder if some people actually believe they are different breeds.
They do. One of Adam's friends was talking about how insane one of the dogs his girlfriend watches is, then followed the thought up with how he can't wait to get a black Lab. Everyone's reaction was confusion as to why he wanted a dog he just described as The Worst Dog Ever, and he clarified and said "That's only chocolate Labs."
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Every chocolate I know is naughtier than every black lab.

We were at an agility seminar this weekend talking to the trainer and discussing behavioral differences in red (heavy red line) dogs and black line dogs, in reference to Aussies and dobes.

Is it a fine science? No, but sometimes it seems to fit very well.

Probably having far more to do with the "breeding for colors" than anything but it makes sense in a strange way, chocolates have been bred for color more than the alternatives, if I remember correctly.
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Old 10-23-2012, 04:52 PM
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Every chocolate I know is naughtier than every black lab.

We were at an agility seminar this weekend talking to the trainer and discussing behavioral differences in red (heavy red line) dogs and black line dogs, in reference to Aussies and dobes.

Is it a fine science? No, but sometimes it seems to fit very well.

Probably having far more to do with the "breeding for colors" than anything but it makes sense in a strange way, chocolates have been bred for color more than the alternatives, if I remember correctly.
I definitely agree breeding for color does have an effect. However, it's really interesting that in Europe where the belgian shepherd varieties can be born alongside each other people still swear there are temperament differences according to coat length/color.

In collies I hear a lot that smooths are sharper, and tris are more naughty/feisty. I thought that was silly, but having seen several litters of collies grow up the tris really were pretty naughty/feisty compared to their merle or sable littermates.

Kaia is a tri borzoi, and she's pretty dang feisty/active/naughty for a zoi. Her breeder told me she was really glad she could place Kaia with me because she would have been too much dog for a lot of borzoi homes.

Kaia had nine puppies, 6 silver sables(grizzle) and 3 tris. The tris were all SOOO BAD! lol I would call them by name and the silvers would all come running and wagging their tails. But Marya would just stare at me like "EFF YOU!" and run away. There really was a huge difference in temperament between them, and it was really surprising. Kaia wasn't that oppositional, but she was definitely more of a feisty destructotron than her silver sable bro.
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I attribute Rumor's psychotic brattiness to her being red.
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I'd bet color genes are somehow linked to behavior genes. Not all of them, but enough to make a difference. In mice, the agouti "wild type" pattern, which is similar to sable in dogs, is known to be more wild-tempermented than white or black mice.

Just look at the Belyaev fox experiment - color is one of the physical things that changed when they selected solely on temperment.
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I'd bet color genes are somehow linked to behavior genes. Not all of them, but enough to make a difference. In mice, the agouti "wild type" pattern, which is similar to sable in dogs, is known to be more wild-tempermented than white or black mice.

Just look at the Belyaev fox experiment - color is one of the physical things that changed when they selected solely on temperment.
That experiment was really fascinating. I do think lack of adrenalin (tameness as they were selecting for) has an effect on how white spotting is expressed.

My suspicion is that the color itself isn't really responsible for the differences in behavior. But when genes are physically located near each other on the DNA strand, they tend to get "unzipped" in the same clump when DNA is divided into sex cells. It wouldn't surprise me at all if some behavior genes are physically close to the spots where coat length and color genes are and tend to get clumped with them.
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