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Old 10-15-2012, 11:37 AM
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In my callus opinion this is just one of the hazards of buying a puppy, if it doesn't work out you're out some money. It's nice if a breeder will work with you but should not be expected as such.

Next time go for an adult dog with a set temperament and known drive.
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Old 10-15-2012, 11:43 AM
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Plus they already invested that money into breeding the mama and taking care of the pups, no? Why do they owe you anything? You bought puppy. Pup didn't work out due to no fault of the breeder or the dog? You are out the coin then.
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Old 10-15-2012, 12:09 PM
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Sometimes they will, sometimes they won't. I know Ivans breeder will not refund the money for a change of heart, especially if said dog is older. Not only is it harder to find homes for the non puppy guys, but most times they come back with problems of some sort. Such as now, she has a year old male returned to her 2 weeks ago, in horrible shape. Nails starting to curl under, 75 pounds ( on a dog that is supposed to be 50 MAX), no manners whats so ever, and a UTI. So before she can place him, she has to get his weight down, his nails and UTI taken care of and get some basic manners into him. Most times she places her older(non puppy) dogs for very little or any at all.

You would think with that kind of money exchanging hands you would be darn certain that is what you are looking for.
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Old 10-15-2012, 12:10 PM
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I've seen pups of varying ages up to adults on breeder websites for rehome. Sometimes the prices listed are more like an adoption.. $100ish up to what I wouldn't pay for someone's oops.. $1000 or more for year old or more dogs. Often it says that the family will get the price back on the dog..

Family's mistake. I wouldn't as a breeder be reimbursing the purchase price because you picked the wrong dog. It's not a pair of shoes you oopsed on.. I do think it's odd they are selling the dog, and not returning it to the breeder.
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Old 10-15-2012, 01:29 PM
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Just curious... If someone decides a dog they bought from a breeder isn't 'right' for them, does the breeder reimburse the selling price, or just take the dog back?

The reason I'm asking is I received an email about a family looking to rehome their 20 month old GSD bitch. They said she was too high drive and with 4 kids, they didn't have time for her. Turns out they're selling her and want something close to the price they paid for her ($1600). I just thought it was odd they didn't return her to the breeder - isn't that a usual clause with responsible breeders?

I guess I can see the people wanting to recoup some of the cost of the dog but it makes me wonder if they got her from a reputable person and if she'll wind up with health/soundness issues later in life.
Every situation is different. Typically, you take the dog back but do NOT refund the money, that is the way my contract is written. My contract states that I must be notified of intent to sell and given the chance to take the dog back. In that case I do NOT refund the monies if I decide to take the dog back. If I decide they can sell it, then that is all them.

I recently got a dog back from my litter, I actually DID pay to get her back. I actually paid double the original purchase price for her. At the end of the day, I could have enforced my contract through the courts but in the meantime, the owner could have sold her to someone else without me knowing. He turned out to be a complete jackass and I didn't want my dog's progeny going somewhere I didn't know. SO, I paid to get her back. At the end of the day, my sole concern is the welfare of my dog's progeny and I will do what it takes to make sure they are safe,happy and healthy.


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Refund for a change of heart is wrong, imo.

Refund for a health issue is normal.

Return of pup is normal.

I have the right to sell both of my
Malinois but both could go back to their breeders if need be.
This is a good guide. I offer full refunds for health issues or a 1/2 refund and option of a future puppy...they have to be willing to wait though.

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In my callus opinion this is just one of the hazards of buying a puppy, if it doesn't work out you're out some money. It's nice if a breeder will work with you but should not be expected as such.

Next time go for an adult dog with a set temperament and known drive.
That's not callous in my opinion. That is the truth. This isn't rent a puppy, you don't get to rent the puppy till the work gets hard then return it and expect a refund. I have seen this happen despite the best placements being done. People suck and people lie and people cheat and above all....some people think "Oh, it's just a dog." No matter how hard a breeder tries for good placements, nothing is guaranteed.

ETA- The puppy that I bought back is in a new awesome home. I placed her there for nothing. Not because they couldn't pay for her or didn't want too but in my mind it's not about the money, it's about good homes.
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I agree with all that RC and Adrianne have said. IMO a reputable breeder should attempt to get the dog back because like RC said people do crappy things and if the breeder isn't going to be the dog's advocate who is?

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ETA- The puppy that I bought back is in a new awesome home. I placed her there for nothing. Not because they couldn't pay for her or didn't want too but in my mind it's not about the money, it's about good homes.
Thats awesome! Are they doing anything cool with her?
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1. I would not offer a refund in the case of someone saying "this dog is too high drive" and "we don't have time for it".

2. If any of my puppy buyers tried to sell their puppies from me, you best believe that I would take legal action as in my contract it states that if the owners can no longer care for their puppy it comes back to me.

3. If this GSD's breeder really doesn't care where this puppy is going, and doesn't state in their contract that they take the puppy back, I would stay away from them.

4. I would ask this person what breeder this puppy is from and contact the breeder myself and tell them what is going on. Maybe this breeder had no idea that these people were selling their dog.
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I wouldn't expect a refund for a change of heart - which this is. I'm not saying that these people did the wrong thing, maybe they honestly thought it would be fine and this dog isn't the right dog for them? Better to rehome now than to become an out of control garden ornament. Without knowing the full story I'm loathe to say that they are just shirking responsibility... they may be wonderful dog owners with another dog. Lesson learned the hard way I guess.

This is one reason why I'd always now purchase my dogs from ethical breeders or rescue so that I know that if my circumstances changed suddenly for the worst, the future of my dog/s is less tenuous. I would be loathe to rehome by myself, but if I felt strongly about a person/family that I thought was great for my dog I'd consider it, but I would be running it by the breeder first and just making sure they feel ok about it. I just think that if we both have the best interest of the dog at heart, we should be on the same page. I'm certainly not going to sell my dog to the first person that comes along. The breeder is going to be the first person I consult with. However, if over time we have differences of opinion and maybe I feel we are not on the same page anymore then I wouldn't hesitate to make it my own call. I would hope that my future breeders are people that I look up to and can count on for sound advice, but I'm also not going to follow blindly if I feel something isn't right.

I wouldn't want to sell to recoup my money. It's the risk I take when I buy, I'm honestly more worried about the welfare of my dog/s. I'd be heartbroken if I were to return a dog, even if it were the right decision.
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I agree with all that RC and Adrianne have said. IMO a reputable breeder should attempt to get the dog back because like RC said people do crappy things and if the breeder isn't going to be the dog's advocate who is?


Thats awesome! Are they doing anything cool with her?
They are doing some VERY cool stuff with her.

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1. I would not offer a refund in the case of someone saying "this dog is too high drive" and "we don't have time for it".

2. If any of my puppy buyers tried to sell their puppies from me, you best believe that I would take legal action as in my contract it states that if the owners can no longer care for their puppy it comes back to me.

3. If this GSD's breeder really doesn't care where this puppy is going, and doesn't state in their contract that they take the puppy back, I would stay away from them.

4. I would ask this person what breeder this puppy is from and contact the breeder myself and tell them what is going on. Maybe this breeder had no idea that these people were selling their dog.
I agree with this! Sometimes breeders don't realize what is happening until someone brings it to their attention.
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^^ ie a recent, very long thread.
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