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Old 10-13-2012, 05:09 PM
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I'm not really on the fence. I agree that, if you have a dog and you are going through hard times, you absolutely do what you can to make it work. I don't think well-loved pets need to be removed from homes where the owners are going through a bad patch. We all know that, when the bond is there, we will find the money. I've spent six years shoveling money I didn't have to the vet for Tristan. You find it, you talk to the vet, you pay off some every month, and you ask "is there a cheaper drug we can try first?".

But to go get a pet knowing you likely won't be able to treat something that comes up? Nope. And, like others, I'm not saying that you need to have 5k or 10k stashed away. But you should be able to get your hands on a few hundred relatively quickly. My "I don't touch it" credit card got yanked out when Gusto had his emergency last month. It will get paid off as I'm able.

Getting a dog knowing you aren't going to give it any immunizations is foolhardy, both for the dog and for general herd immunity. Knowing you can't even take it to the vet for an evaluation if something goes seriously wrong isn't okay.

Work on getting your life a bit more stable, and then go get a dog, and do so with a smile on your face knowing that you can provide that dog with the basics it needs to be safe and happy.
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Old 10-13-2012, 05:12 PM
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I'm not really on the fence. I agree that, if you have a dog and you are going through hard times, you absolutely do what you can to make it work. I don't think well-loved pets need to be removed from homes where the owners are going through a bad patch. We all know that, when the bond is there, we will find the money. I've spent six years shoveling money I didn't have to the vet for Tristan. You find it, you talk to the vet, you pay off some every month, and you ask "is there a cheaper drug we can try first?".

But to go get a pet knowing you likely won't be able to treat something that comes up? Nope. And, like others, I'm not saying that you need to have 5k or 10k stashed away. But you should be able to get your hands on a few hundred relatively quickly. My "I don't touch it" credit card got yanked out when Gusto had his emergency last month. It will get paid off as I'm able.

Getting a dog knowing you aren't going to give it any immunizations is foolhardy, both for the dog and for general herd immunity. Knowing you can't even take it to the vet for an evaluation if something goes seriously wrong isn't okay.

Work on getting your life a bit more stable, and then go get a dog, and do so with a smile on your face knowing that you can provide that dog with the basics it needs to be safe and happy.
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Old 10-13-2012, 07:31 PM
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I don't think it's reasonable to expect people to have thousands of dollars just laying around in case of an emergency. BUT, I do think it's reasonable to expect people to have a contingency plan - emergency credit card, care credit, an arrangement with a friend or relative to borrow money, whatever. And to take responsibility for your own decisions if you don't have a contingency plan - not expect to get free or discounted care because you didn't plan ahead or try to guilt or bully people into giving it to you.

And nothing makes me sigh heavily more than someone complaining they "can't afford" care because they are leaving for their cruise next week, or something along those lines. You CAN afford it, you just choose to spend your money elsewhere. Which is perfectly ok and your decision, but don't try to emotionally manipulate me so you can have your cake and eat it, too. Grown ups know that sometimes affording one thing means giving something else up, so take responsibility for your decisions.
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Old 10-13-2012, 09:04 PM
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Just wanna post my 2 cents and then I'll go back and actually read the thread.

Yes, I stand behind the phrase. Owning animals is not a right and it is so sad and so unfair when people take them on, and then can't afford proper care. I see this on forums, I saw this working at a vet clinic, I saw this working at a pet store. I don't like seeing a 1.5 year old dachshund put to sleep because his owner can't afford to treat his back problems. I don't like seeing a dog have a litter of puppies because the owner couldn't afford to have her spayed (and couldn't properly supervise her, but nonetheless). And then when one of the puppies is hit by a car 6 months later, he is put to sleep because of course, they couldn't afford any treatment. Or the owners who maybe don't elect euthanasia, but simply let the health problems drag on and on and on because they can't afford to go to the vet.

Who does this benefit?? No one. Is it really worth it for the owner that their pet dies because they can't afford anything else? Is the animal benefiting when they are suffering because no one will seek proper care for it?

Emergencies happen and I get that. No, I don't plan to spend $1500+ when my cat blocks on a Saturday afternoon. Which he has done twice. I don't normally have that much money just sitting around waiting to be spent. But we always make it work.

And I get that people fall on hard times, people lose jobs or the family dynamic changes and the money isn't always there. I am not saying you need to run out and rehome all your animals if this happens to you. But you sure as hell better not acquire any new ones.

I just don't think you should have a pet if you can't afford the price of an exam. If you can't afford a spay or neuter. If you can't afford routine speed bumps that might happen, like treating an ear infection or a UTI or having a fecal exam done if your dog has diarrhea. That stuff HAPPENS, animals get sick. If you can't even afford THOSE things, then what happens if your pet should have something that requires chronic treatment or if an emergency occurs? Usually this is where the complaining and insulting and hissy fits and "veterinary staff don't care about animals" nonsense comes in.

Sure, maybe you can get lucky and get a pet that is uber healthy and never needs to go in. And then it doesn't matter that you don't have vet money, right? You can't cross your fingers and hope that's the case though, because likely it won't be.

Yeah, I feel a little strongly about this.
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Old 10-13-2012, 09:32 PM
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I make sure my dogs get what they need, but I am also realistic about it. I don't take my dogs to the vet for yearly check ups or anything like that. We do the minimum shots required (on my adult dogs) and figure out where we can cut costs. Emergencies? Well, no, I don't have an elaborate plan for them. But my dogs eat, get their shots, do a show here and there as we can afford it, get their health-testing, etc. I will be the first to admit that a $300 price tag blocked me from spaying Terra, but I don't consider it a necessity to have her spayed at any rate.

And I do plan on having other dogs. They will not be rescues. If that makes me a bad person, oh well.
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Old 10-13-2012, 10:41 PM
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While I have absolutely no issues these days coming up with money for a vet should my dogs or rats need it, there have been times in my life as a pet owner where issues that have required vet attention have snuck up on me during times where I was in a bad financial spot and really couldn't afford a vet. However, that never stopped me from making the appointment and scraping together every last penny I had to make sure my animal wouldn't suffer. If I didn't have enough, I'd talk to the vet and try to see if I could make payments, I'd beg family and friends for money, I'd not buy groceries for a couple weeks, I'd do everything in my power to make sure my pet got what it needed.

Does that mean I was a bad pet owner, because I couldn't afford vet care? No, in fact, I'm pretty proud of myself, because I put my pet's needs above my own and did what I had to, as embarrassing as it was, to make sure they'd get healthy again. Unfortunately, sometimes bad things happen that are beyond your control. What makes a bad pet owner are those that refuse to even try to get their pet help when they really need it, and just let it sit there and suffer.
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Old 10-13-2012, 11:03 PM
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I think you should be able to afford basic care before you get a pet, but beyond that? There's just such a wide range of what you could have to spend.

When my old gal, Tully, was sick with what turned out to be Cushings, and I went to the specialist, I felt terrible because I had to be that client who worried about the cost, and had to ask for cheaper ways to do stuff. I spent thousands. And this all came up shortly after spending $2000 for treatment of Tess' kidney infection. I'm now in debt for probably another 4 years to pay off the vet bills. I can't spend any more on Tully, I need to keep some room in the budget available in case something happens with one of the younger dogs.

A couple years ago, I would have said I was in excellent shape to afford whatever vet care my dogs need, and had lots of potential resources. But you can burn through those, faster than you think.

I don't think pet ownership should be reserved for only the wealthy.
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Old 10-13-2012, 11:20 PM
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I've only owned my own dogs since I was a junior in college (IE. I have always been poor with dogs. Lol) Even with a BS, I have no idea what to do when I "grow up", so I work at a vet clinic. Luckily, this means I get a discount & some wiggle room to come up with payments, but when I was working with the kids I was almost living paycheck to paycheck just to keep us in an apartment that allowed big, dirty, noisy hounds so I've gotta say, you do what you can, but I certainly don't expect people to just have money to burn when they get a dog. Vet care is EXPENSIVE... I agree you should be prepared for initial/annual vet costs... but Daisy needing a premolars removed quickly turned into what would have been a $900 if I hadn't worked for the guy. Even then, I had to cash in a few savings bonds as we were paying our property taxes at the same time.
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Old 10-13-2012, 11:21 PM
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Well.. the way I look at it, its not an option for me to just let medical treatment slide, and my family DOESN'T have lot of money. A few months ago, Riot ate some Advil PM, and was throwing up and on the brink of death (liver failure). It was 8 or 9 pm so I had to rush her to the E-Vet, and the whole thing cost me a little over $1,000. Yeah, it hurt my wallet a LOT- and I ate a lot of mac n cheese and spaghetti after that, but you better believe I wasn't going to let a 15 month old dog die because I couldn't really afford it. I had to borrow money, owed a lot of people, but I did it. She's alive, and thats all that matters.

Now... do I think someone shouldn't own a pet if they can't do that? I don't know. On the one hand I desperately want to say yes, but on the other hand I think its a tough question. Is a pet better off in a shelter or having a 3 years in a nice home and then getting cancer which the owners can't afford to fix? I don't know. Its too hard for me to say.

All I can say is that had I let Riot die that day, I couldn't live with myself.

However, I can say with some certainty, if you can't afford a $2,000 surgery, you have ABSOLUTELY NO BUSINESS BREEDING. Seriously. Odds be damned, no one, and I mean no one, who can't afford a c-section, should be breeding ANY litter. I'm sorry, thats just the way it is.
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Old 10-13-2012, 11:21 PM
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I wish the people across the street that had the cat feral fixed, and then feed him and treat him like he is there cat, but only so far, cheap food, and such would realize that what they did took away any chance he had of being adopted by a real owner that might have valued him a great deal more. They think they saved Smokie. I think they robbed him. He could have gone up for adoption, it is not an automatic death sentence for a cat here to be turned over. I think that when people take them thinking they are saving them even tho they can't give them basic care, shots, spaying and neutering, heart worm preventative and the like, are under the same delusion thinking that they too "saved" the animal.
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