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Old 10-09-2012, 02:43 PM
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When is it okay, IS it ever okay to hit your dog?
In an emergency, I will do what I gotta do.

In play, Squash loves to be thumped and slapped.

In training, no. I will put a prong collar on Squash in really high distraction environments, but I don't pop it. He just won't pull against it. Scootering, Squash will sometimes get so entranced by something that I have to physically pull him back onto the trail. But it's like... using his harness to pull him backwards, not anything like a pop or jerk. It's just for fun, so I don't need to be hardcore about it.
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Old 10-09-2012, 02:49 PM
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I agree with others who said that it's acceptable if you're preventing injury or death to someone (person, your dog, another animal, ect.)

In those cases, I don't view it as training. I view it as "crisis management". Your dog trying to eat a kid =/= a training moment. You do whatever is necessary to keep everyone safe and alive, then go back and train later when the dog isn't overstimulated and nobody is in danger.
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Old 10-09-2012, 02:53 PM
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As others have said, when you're trying to stop a dangerous situation the normal rules do not apply. When Mira was attacked by that Belgian Sheepdog out of the blue and I was trying to keep that dog off mine until backup arrived...yeah I would never treat a dog that way in any other sort of situation but you do what you have to do in that moment to prevent greater injury.

In training? Oh heck no. In life? I do my best to never need to. First in line to say I'm not perfect but I've worked too hard to have the working and casual relationships I do with my dogs to undermine that in a fit of temper.
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Old 10-09-2012, 02:56 PM
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I do in play and sometimes i hit her with a door or a book but thats an accident stemming from she wants to pretty much be one with me at all times lol. but never in training do i think it is ok. Ever. Period.

I have said it before another dog attacking yours go for it. Your dog is trying to tear into someone I get it. But just training? No

I'll admit yoshi was a lot harder to train then lady. With lady it was basically tell her what I wanted and it was good. Teaching yoshi was a pain in the ass at times. But even when I was frustrated hitting was never an option. She's my heart dog and I love her. She can tell when I'm happy or upset and seeing me frustrated is enough to focus a little bit. But would I hit someone who didn't understand me? No. Why would I do it to the little animal that constantly gives her all?

If you hit out of frustration IMO that's not ok and you need to take a step back. If you are training and you have to hit to 'get the point across' then you need more patience and willingness to make another way work.
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Old 10-09-2012, 03:04 PM
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I avoid all physical correction as best as I humanly can. I've lost my temper and swatted Bodhi before, and felt horrible for it.
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Old 10-09-2012, 03:26 PM
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MOD HAT IN PLACE:

Based on how the other threads went, I'm going to say this now rather than later. This is the only warning we'll issue in this thread. It's a great topic for discussion. If it degenerates into name calling or other rules violations, the guilty parties will be "spanked" appropriately.

Threats?
Positive punishment?
Striking us?

Eddie! Sheesh! You should know better than this. Here's your alternative:
"My, my...I'm so proud of you so far for discussing this topic in a civil and polite way. Here, I am giving you $10.00 for all of the posts you've written which are full of love and kindness."


I agree. When you need to shove, kick, yank, whatever to avoid a potential fight or keep a dog from hurting himself or others...well, ya gotta do what you gotta do. But as far as training or just losing your temper, no. Not right. Those kinds of things, no matter how mild have no place in training or interacting with a dog. And that goes for yelling, shouting or being intimidating verbally/emotionally.

Playing rough, slapping a dog when he knows you're playing and is having fun is an entirely different thing than bewildering a dog with anger or something that confuses him.
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Old 10-09-2012, 03:28 PM
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I've never hit a dog, but there have definitely been a handful of times when I jerked at a leash much more harshly than necessary. Inevitably, I've felt terrible afterwards.

The one and only time that I know of in which a dog has been hit in my household was when I was much much younger and my old dog, Buddy, lunged at my brother and bit him square above and below the eye. Buddy was chewing his bone and when my young brother got too close (though not actually reaching for the bone), Buddy bit him. It's a blessing that my brother isn't blind in one eye. My dad hit the dog to the point that he yelped (out of fear or pain, I don't know). I was young and remember being very upset about the entire situation (of both my brother and the dog).

Looking back now, I would say that that action wasn't right nor appropriate, but it was understandable from an emotional perspective.


All that said, I agree with most everyone else that the only truly appropriate time to hit an animal would be in the midst of an emergency.
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Old 10-09-2012, 03:33 PM
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Once I pretended to throw a (large) bone at my dog and he ran the wrong way and got hit by it. He did a lot of ducking after that happened.
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Old 10-09-2012, 03:35 PM
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I can't think where hitting a dog in an emergency would do anything though anyhow. I can see grabbing, yanking, pulling, kicking (to move the animal away) to be able to physically break up a dog fight. But hitting?

Long ago I use to use compulsive methods too. It was seemingly all there was and it's how we were brought up. Super bossy, yank on the leash, stern voices. But hitting a dog or using any real physical roughness was not done in my family. The alpha...show 'em who's boss was the name of the game back then. Thankfully, for my dogs as an adult, I figured out much more effective ways to train without having to shut the dog down with punishment and reduce our relationship to one of dictator and slave.
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Old 10-09-2012, 03:37 PM
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I smack Rage around all the time.

She does not indicate that she notices or cares. Mostly this is in play

I am as completely hands-off as possible when training Liz, because she is unbelievably soft.

Daisy can do no wrong. Ever. And she doesn't like to play rough.

I think the only time I've ever really hit one was breaking up a dog fight...
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