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Old 09-30-2012, 11:01 PM
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but hey..it's different because you KNOW this dog and it's a FILA.
Not like those other dogs had stories, owners, histories, medical issues, or anything else you didn't know about or anything... so you should feel free to pass judgement.
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Old 09-30-2012, 11:02 PM
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No, still not fair.

If your criteria is going to be consistent bad behavior, the Fila showed consistency by repeated barking and screaming at everyone and everything in several separated incidents. That to me is consistent bad behavior. One episode? Maybe. Repeated episodes without removing the dog from the store? Thatís consistency.

If your criteria is owners not doing anything to correct the rude behavior, ditto. Your description has nothing about the handler attempting to correct anything. In fact he allowed it to continue until people moved out of the dogís way.

If your criteria is an attempt to teach the dog how to behave, again I see that missing here too.

Its really the same thing, no matter how you try to paint it. Fila acting like a butt = cute. Little dog acting like a butt = reactive, snappy, annoying PITA.
Double standard.
Oh good, it's not just me thinking that. I'd add more but you stated it pretty perfectly imo.
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Old 09-30-2012, 11:12 PM
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You're missing the vital part, it's a FILA.

LOL, sorry that cracked me up. Seriously though I would tell a story like this so very differently.
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Old 09-30-2012, 11:17 PM
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Sorry - when I meant 'incident' I meant it as a whole; this particular time at the store, this day etc. Not a fit of barking = an episode in and of itself.

Again - I don't know what was/is going on in her situation. If she was coming from a stressful experience earlier, if her handler was having trouble with something before going into the shop and so on. So I can't say - and her owner is a fairly knowledgeable, competent, and solid handler so I really can't discredit him or the dog personally based on this incident (again - as a whole).

As for having a double standard - most of the dogs that are problematic/unpleasant around here are indeed on the smaller side. I'm not going to say that that doesn't have anything to do with my opinions but I try to be as fair/moderate as I can. Most of the smaller dogs I had run in's with previously have been badly managed and poorly controlled by their owners on every occasion - this Fila in question has been a great dog every other time I've seen her - like I said I can't discredit either her or her handler based on this one incident (as a whole, again.). I haven't discredited small dog owners at first sight either - it's been time and time and time and time and time and time again - they even had acknowledged that their dogs had issues yet didn't do a thing about it.

How do I know that what happened today didn't deeply shock/upset her owner? how do I know if they aren't working on issues surrounding this type of behavior? how do I know if this was an isolated "incident" or a normal recurrence? how do I know if she has reactivity issues in certain settings and it's still a work in progress? I do NOT. I do commend small dog owners that train them properly and hold their behavior to good standards as I do dog owners in general. I am critical of smaller dog owners that let their canines run amok just as I am of larger dog/LGD owners whom allow that to happen as well. But funnily - most of the LGD's/Giant breeds I meet around here have been excellently behaved (from what I have seen of them) - Gisela is no exception. And if it is your definition of a double standard I don't care - but I won't discredit her over this one time. If however I witness other episodes of ill behavior from her - trust me, I will be just as 'harsh' on her and her person as I have been on smaller dogs in previous threads.


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No, still not fair.

If your criteria is going to be consistent bad behavior, the Fila showed consistency by repeated barking and screaming at everyone and everything in several separated incidents. That to me is consistent bad behavior. One episode? Maybe. Repeated episodes without removing the dog from the store? Thatís consistency.

If your criteria is owners not doing anything to correct the rude behavior, ditto. Your description has nothing about the handler attempting to correct anything. In fact he allowed it to continue until people moved out of the dogís way.

If your criteria is an attempt to teach the dog how to behave, again I see that missing here too.

Its really the same thing, no matter how you try to paint it. Fila acting like a butt = cute. Little dog acting like a butt = reactive, snappy, annoying PITA.
Double standard.
Fran,

Those smaller dogs were just improperly managed - one of them in question's owner actually admitted to me that he liked to behave in that sort of a manner (snappy, reactive, growly, aggressive) but she went ahead and indulged him. This is a great deal of the issues surrounding smaller dog problems locally - I can't speak for your town or your experiences but this is what I see and know firsthand. This is the community around here, this is the attitude/handling style they have - nearly 90% of the owners of those dogs I mentioned previously were just very indulgent/lax. Their dogs don't usually have any impediments except for those indulgent owners. As for possibility of behavioral issues...they are often nurtured/encouraged by their handlers. Most of the ones I see have been anyways.
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Old 09-30-2012, 11:22 PM
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Basically you have a double standard. Yay!

Empathy for big dogs [that you know] and no patience for small dogs.

This sounds strangely familiar to another thread of yours.

But what can we say, you've made it a point to shake it up, consider things shook.
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Basically you have a double standard. Yay!

Empathy for big dogs [that you know] and no patience for small dogs.

This sounds strangely familiar to another thread of yours.

But what can we say, you've made it a point to shake it up, consider things shook.


I personally hate double standards and TRY to hold everyone to the same standards!! It doesn't always happen but we can all try.

If this had happened in front of me, I would have tried to educate the guy about training or something. That is just unacceptable.
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Old 09-30-2012, 11:38 PM
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Adrienne,

If you say/believe I have a double standard then that's completely fine - I just want to say this though -

It's very difficult to have patience with a dog that is a public menace, has issues that the owner does nothing to curb or correct but may even encourage, and the fact that their handler also thinks that nothing is wrong with their bad behavior. It just so happens it's more so the small dogs around these parts that are so inclined in that manner versus the larger ones. It wasn't one or even two incidents with these dogs in question that I previously wrote about - it's happened SO many times and well...yes if you like, my patience has dulled as a result.

I have no patience equally for larger dogs that have harassed us around the neighborhood whom's handlers have that same sort of attitude applied to the smaller dogs.
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I am critical of smaller dog owners that let their canines run amok just as I am of larger dog/LGD owners whom allow that to happen as well.
But... she WAS running amok in the store?
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I genuinely don't want to see another thread turned to something unpleasant but it's something to note and maybe learn from.

While some individuals are judge able I'd be hesitant to judge a group, look, type, color because you'll be shocked how off you can be and then you'll look silly.
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I still don't understand how you can assume this is okay.

I've never met an XYZ race that I liked so they must all be bad.

No? Generalizing is wrong?
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