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Old 01-10-2006, 11:23 AM
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I was walking Zeus at a nearby playground, and a young girl (about 12) and her mother came up to see Zeus. The girl asked what kind of dog he was. I said a blackmouth cur. She said she's never seen one in dog shows before. I said that they weren't an AKC breed. The mom smiled and said, "Oh, so he's a mutt. If it's not in the AKC, it's a mutt." Then they walked off before I could say anything.

Now, I couldn't care less what these people think of Zeus. But that attitude amazes me. And what's sad is that she's not the only person I met who thinks that way.

I know it's only ignorance, but it still bothers me. Anybody else encounter anything like this? Or have any ideas as to what I can say to people who think that way?
I see this attitude on this site every time someone posts about Labradoodles. I am no expert on them, but aren't they acknowledged by the Australian Kennel Club? But people around here think that it is a travisty to try to breed them and instantly label any one who tries a BYB.
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Old 01-10-2006, 11:27 AM
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PFC1 I dont really think that there is a bad attitude towards it, it is just that there are so many homeless pets and some feel to purposely breed different breeds (designer breeding they call it) is not right.
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Old 01-10-2006, 11:33 AM
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I agree that that is often the sentiment. By the logic that there are too many homeles dogs already, no one should be breeding purebred dogs either. I have seen some people post exactly this argument. But most people would not go that far. I also agree that most of the breeders that try to breed the labradoodles, Yorkie-poos, etc. as a matter of practical experience, fall into the catagory of BYB. I certainly don't condone unethical breeders. But the posts I have read often go beyond this and explicitly state that anyone who might try to breed these is necessarily evil. .

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Old 01-10-2006, 11:49 AM
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I dont disagree with you there PFC1. You will soon see the passion that people here on this forum have for their animals which is a great thing to have. BYB and puppy mills are not a good thing, but there is no way to shut them down unless complaint after complaint is made to their local ASPCA (I think that is what it is) or their local animal control etc. Breeding animals for profit sometimes isnt a bad thing, but the stress it places on the mommy when she is bred over and over again is just wrong....
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Old 01-10-2006, 12:12 PM
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The various "doodle" breeds were a failure. The intent was to develop a type of dog for service work that would be useful to people with allergies and have greatly reduced shedding. But it didn't work out that way. Now, those claims are falsely being made by opportunistic "breeders" who prey on people who just don't know any better and are willing to pay hundreds of dollars for dogs touted as hypo-allergenic and shed-free. But they aren't. There may be a dog or two or three out of a litter that carries something resembling those traits, but not all. It's just dishonest.
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Old 01-12-2006, 12:57 PM
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Renee got it just right about all of those doodle dogs...

Don't feel bad, I get that ll the time with my Beaucerons... even though they are an older breed Than shepherds, Rottweilers, and Dobermans. They are currently thought to be the oldest French breed, they date back to the middle ages.
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Old 01-12-2006, 02:24 PM
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Ouch! Quit poking me, or I'll tell Grammy on you!

LoL, nah, I have nothing against mutts. I don't know why people seem to think the word "mutt" is derrogatory. Oh well, I'll start using the more PC "mixed breed."

Fran, I believe the UKC stands for United Kennel Club. I'm not sure; I don't know much about it.
The UKC was formed chortly after the AKC and was designed more for the "hunting" breeds. This is the predominant kennel club in the southern US.

The UKC has special events such as "Earthing", Coon Hunts, Rabbit Hunts, Squirrel Hunts and Hunt tests.

I specialize my Labrador Retriever with the UKC-HRC (UKC- Hunting Retriever Club).

The UKC usually recognizes certain breeds of the AKC (such as Labradors, Chessies, Goldens, Pointers, Curs, Feists, and Hounds.) If the AKC does not recognize your breed, you'll have to register it with the Parent Breed Club in order to become registered with the UKC.

I hope that shed some light on ya, and I apologize for jumping in rather late.
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I see this attitude on this site every time someone posts about Labradoodles. I am no expert on them, but aren't they acknowledged by the Australian Kennel Club? But people around here think that it is a travisty to try to breed them and instantly label any one who tries a BYB.
in my opinion there is a huge difference between someone just repeatedly breeding F1 crosses from two purebred parent animals to get whatever stupid "designer" mixes are the flavor of the day and someone actually working on establishing a breed with a well thought out breeding program.

you can breed F1 crosses for decades and until you get blue in the face, but you will never get any closer to a "real breed" since the offspring is always a crossbreed of two purebred parents.

i have nothing against folks who are responsibly following a breeding program to actually eventually end up with dogs who breed true, health testing each animal in their breeding program and eliminating those that aren't suitable. but how many such ethical, responsible breeders do you see in the circles that produce "labradoodles", "maltipoos", "puggles" and so on? they are generally not in it to breed a better dog but to make lots of money.
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AKC papers mean everything to some people. That sure is messed up. Just because they don't understand the breed they should not be calling your dog a mutt.
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Old 01-12-2006, 03:49 PM
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So basically to form a new true breed youd have to crossbreed a lab and a poodle, then have the mixed off spring, then you bred two more labs and poodles then have the mixed off spring, then breed a male from one litter to a female of another litter (both parents are lab/poodle mixes) to form that "true breed in the third generation. Then you have to have 3 more generations of this particular dog to have a true breed, correct??
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