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Old 09-01-2012, 06:09 PM
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I have seen this working at a shelter more with Labs than any other breed. People get a lab because they are cute as puppies and bring them in a year later when they are so out of control. It's great working with them on their manners, but it's more difficult to get them in a home where people can handle them.

My girl, Dixie I adopted from the shelter I work at was 9 weeks when I adopted her. She was abandoned on one of the coldest nights of the year in December in a dark alley. I did not adopt her because I took pity on her for being abandoned. Sure, I felt bad but it's not why I adopted her. I adopted her because of her personality and not to mention she is cute.

She has been trained from day 1, she may not be the most well behaved dog like ever as she is still maturing. But she is not out of control!

I think no matter where people get their dog whether it be a shelter, rescue, or breeder they have the responsibility to train their dog. Especially the younger ones! I could see if it was a senior dog, they are already trained usually to let them not have a lot of discipline.
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Old 09-01-2012, 06:18 PM
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Replace "Shamoo" with "Daisy"(except she's 12...); all other dogs in our house are held to high standards. Lol
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I don't see it as rescue vs. purchased. I see it as a difference in owners. I see very few people with dogs from both sources who have drastically different training philosophies for the two dogs.

The people I know who have dogs that get away with murder would do it regardless of where they got the dog from.
I completely agree with this. If the owner is going to be irresponsible and let the dog misbehave, they're going to do it regardless of the problem behavior, regardless of what kind of dog it is, and regardless of where they got it from. I hear this sort of thing all the time at work.

"Oh, it's alright, he's a rescue dog."
"Oh, it's alright, he's still a puppy."
"Oh, it's alright, he's just excited."
"Oh, it's alright, he's X BREED."

Every dog is different, and your training methods need to be suited to each individual dog, regardless of where you got them from. I train Jack and Missy very differently, yet they're both rescues.
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Old 09-01-2012, 07:27 PM
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I think a lot of people too go for looks over personality...and go for dogs that are completely unsuitable. This may happen more in rescue because you can't actually research a mixed breed, and there aren't the breeders to guide the potential owner.

But, I know a woman right now with an English Setter I would die for...she comes in with the dog, it's gone from a nylon collar to a front snap harness to now a gentle leader. The woman is very petite/gentle, probably in her 60's or 70's...and is SO awkward with her. I know she is trying to do the best she can but the breed just doesn't seem to suit her. I think her hubby got the dog to hunt with but she's trying to care for it otherwise.
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Old 09-01-2012, 07:37 PM
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Ok, I don't think most people train or manage their dogs, then. :/
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Old 09-01-2012, 07:43 PM
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Honestly I would say more than half of the dogs I come across are decently well behaved. Not perfect but decent. I do come across a few that are terribly rude and unruly.
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Old 09-01-2012, 08:25 PM
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I agree about the guidance - when possible. There are very willful dogs out there though and each one is a individual of course - the blocking technique for wrongdoings and encouragement of desired behaviors will work with some. For others though I prefer a more direct approach - nip any issue in the bud straight away and make things crystal clear to the dog. Yes is yes, No is no.

Encouraging the correct behavior I find quite easy - the wrongdoings are more difficult to block though and I really find that with Katalin at least - addressing it at the root, head on, at it's first sight works best. She hasn't acted up like she used to on her leash for about 4 months now on walks, and for the past 3 group training classes (she was apprehensive about doing a down/flip in front of everyone and mouthed/flailed during her first few classes). I tried blocking her leash issue before - it just didn't help. I just became firmer and stood my ground, I'll admit a leash correction or two was in order - but she's great now. Our relationship is flourishing and she's just turning into a wonderful dog =) Had I not taken the steps of being alot more solid and balanced in her handling - we would be at a very different level of progress today I am sure.

Dogs - like people, are all individuals. They don't respond equally well to a certain form of communication; so I try my very best to be a good handler for Katalin - whatever is clearest for her, works best, and is productive for her is what will be implemented. It may not please certain people or consensus of opinions and may even contradict certain principals of one or another - but it's what works for us and IMO - that is what counts the most. Understand your dog, find a good way of communicating and teaching it - and go from there. Don't worry about "showing off" in front of others or trying to look good. If only a few more people took that principal into mind rather than going the most fashionable/"cool" route of training (whatever it may be in their eyes) - the dogs of the world would be in a much better place.

Oh... I'm not saying AT ALL that every dog in the world doesn't need corrections. I do feel that most dogs can be trained to be perfectly well mannered through simple communication, guidance and force free tactics. However, I have no issue with people using fair corrections. Especially with a LGD! I just wanted to point out that "discipline" isn't necessarily required to achieve a well behaved dog. My dogs are exceptionally well mannered rescues, and they've learned to become that with very few corrections.
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Old 09-01-2012, 08:26 PM
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My city is ridden with the "small/rescue dog" mentality. I hear more and more of it as a plain out excuse for despicable behavior and manners.

There should be a strict screening process and handling courses akin to that for nuclear weaponry for any potential dog owner. Breeder or rescue, small or giant alike. I'm sorry - people are just too f&cking stupid and getting more so by the day. The good people that really get what it is to have a dog are few and far in between.

All actual things I've heard within the past several weeks at pet stores, out on walks, in conversation with passersby with other dogs (and some without), and occasionally picked up from other people's conversations:

"You can't feed a dog chocolate?? Really?!"

"You need to walk it HOW many times a DAY?!"

"I might give him up, he's just so hyper at 5 months and has chewed up so many clothes..."

"Why does he keep peeing in the house? I take him out once every single day!"

"No I don't wanna do obedience training with her, she's only 4 lbs."

"...And he just wants to be the police! he's growling and snarling and with his lil' teeth bared, it's so cute!"



Grrr....this is my serious new pet peeve right now.
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Old 09-01-2012, 08:50 PM
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I'd be pretty pissed off if someone told me I was required to take a class to own a dog-it's not exactly brain surgery.

I do believe than any rescue OR breeder should take responsibility to make sure that the people they sell or adopt to are reasonably well educated. However, that's just not going to happen in all cases. If I am in discussion with someone about dogs and they mention a training issue, I always make sure to sing the praises of obedience classes. In our area there seem to be more vets offices offering puppy and beginner obedience classes, which I think is great.

I think it's also important to be a little forgiving with people too. Sally kind of fell into our laps. I honestly had to google it to figure out how to teach her "sit" and I thought the proper way to house break was the"rub their nose in it" method. I thought that the only dogs that needed foods higher quality than Purina One were ones with health issues that required "special" food. I thought "positive" and clicker training were hippy crap. Fortunately, I'm also a compulsive researcher and got really into having a dog and wanted to learn more.
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Old 09-01-2012, 08:53 PM
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There should be a strict screening process and handling courses akin to that for nuclear weaponry for any potential dog owner. Breeder or rescue, small or giant alike. I'm sorry - people are just too f&cking stupid and getting more so by the day. The good people that really get what it is to have a dog are few and far in between.
Some people want a low-key pet and a generally nice, easy going family dog. I know not everyone is as dog-savvy as we are, and I don't fault them for it. As long as they are providing adequate food, water and shelter and are giving the dog lots of love and attention I don't see the issue. When it comes to a strange dog affecting you with unwanted behaviour that I understand, but griping about other people not being as into dogs as we are or doing all the training we do? Meh.

I have not noticed this 'epidemic' of bad owners in Van - maybe I have been lucky. Some bad apples sure, but the vast majority seem decent and quite frankly, Vancouver has it tame compared to how some places (particularly with lower socioeconomic statuses) regard and treat their pets.
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