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Old 08-31-2012, 11:52 PM
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I've never met a bad one . Never seen them do much though.

How do these cur types (RRs, Catahoulas, etc) do in say modern dog sports? Ob, agility, and so forth?
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Old 08-31-2012, 11:54 PM
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I've never met a bad one . Never seen them do much though.

How do these cur types (RRs, Catahoulas, etc) do in say modern dog sports? Ob, agility, and so forth?
Never seen an RR do agility, but I have seen them at lure coursing, and it was pretty neat!
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Old 09-01-2012, 12:29 AM
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Also, these dogs were bred for hunting, but not just general hunting. They were bred for tracking down and holding lion (big game), in a semi-open terrain, in packs, stalking silently and baying when the prey is found. They would often lose dogs. As said in the paragraph, most states do not allow this type of hunting with the type of game found in the US. The breed standard says these dogs are not suitable for this type of hunting, not that they can't...but that they are not suitable.
Comparing nuanced hunting styles of a hunting breed to a pit dog herding livestock is apples and oranges. That's like saying a sheep herding borzoi is comparable to a bird hunting borzoi, and it's most definitely NOT.

Borzoi were bred almost exclusively to course wolves flushed from cover and hold them until the hunters caught up.

However, they excel at hunting in the US. They make fantastic rabbit dogs, fox dogs, coyote dogs, and if it was legal to hunt deer with hounds they'd be great at that too. None of those types of game are within their breed heritage. They hunt that game with a different style than wolves (except maybe coyotes). But that ability doesn't make them incorrect or out of standard. It makes them useful and adaptable.

Out of all the breed traits RR were bred for, adaptability and usefulness among the most highly valued in the RR's past and by their creators.
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Old 09-01-2012, 12:30 AM
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I know a breeder and they do agility as well as other things. Plus her dogs help her move the sheep at home. Very neat dogs. Aloof, protective,regal and driven is what I think when I see them.
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Old 09-01-2012, 12:31 AM
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Romy, I think I need a couple borzoi. You can run dogs on deer here in the southern zone of the state.
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Old 09-01-2012, 12:40 AM
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I'm speaking for the breed as a whole and to their standard...what I said is certainly not nonsense.



http://www.rrcus.org/club/breedinfo/RRFAQ.htm



Someone asked if they were good for hunting. In general breed speaking, in America, no, they are not.
again, utter nonsense. the only thing holding back the RR as a hunting breed in the USA is that most are bred strictly for conformation w/ no regard for actual working ability AND they are priced beyond what most hunters are willing to pay for what is basically a crap shoot pup (about 2-5 times what a well bred cur or hound pup costs). a shockingly good number of conformation & BYB bred RRs are actually hunting. a quick check of baydog classifieds showed 1 litter of purebreds & 3 litters of crosses all from producing hogdogs.
two of the most popular hog hunting breeds in the USA are the catahoula & the blackmouth cur, both of which the majority of the breed run DEAD SILENT. in fact the plott used to be the same way, it wasn't until bear populations dropped that cold hound nose & open mouths were bred in (mostly by the cable & denton families). if running silent & being warm to hot nosed made for poor performance as a hunting dog then why are most primitive/rustic breeds used by subsistance hunters silent trailers w/ only medium noses. in fact, in an environment w/ good game populations, a silent warm nosed dog will put MORE game in the freezer. cold nosed, open mouth hounds were "invented" for sport hunting so that the chase would last LONGER. in fact. even among houndsmen it is "secret" that the guys that rack up the best numbers of trees or catches are guys that have accumulated a pack of dogs that run silent until they have eyes on the game.
and this was clearly written by someone w/ with little or no personal experience running dogs on fur.
[QUOTE]Are they good for general hunting?

Not in the United States. The Ridgeback has been used successfully in hunting bobcat, mountain lion, bear, fox, squirrel, coyote, deer, wild boar and raccoon in the U.S., Canada and Mexico. There have been reports of Ridgebacks having been train to point upland game and retrieve game and fowl, but their true talents lie in cornering the prey for the hunter to finish off. As a rule, they are silent trailers and only bay once the prey is sighted. For this reason, Ridgebacks are not used alone to hunt deer, fox or raccoon unless they have a bell around their necks for location purposes. They can be hunted with breeds which are more vocal on a trail.
Nowadays, fewer states allow hunting with dogs in general, so most of today’s Ridgebacks are content to keep the backyard squirrel-free or to chase rabbits in a field. Most Ridgeback enthusiasts do their "hunting" these days on the lure coursing field chasing a white plastic bag! Lure coursing is a thrilling sport and fun for all the family to watch. Read all about it in "Starting Your Dog in Performance Events." [QUOTE/]
yeah, dogs that are good in one place stop being good when they go somewhere else. the only truth behind that, is that dogs from humid environments do poorly at first in arid environments, but once they get acclimated (few weeks to a year) they are just as productive.
if it is such a failure in the USA, how has it been successful on so many DIFFERENT species of mammal?
since silent running dogs put MORE game in the freezer, why would you put a bell on the dog to warn the game it's coming?
you can dog hunt SOMETHING in pretty much every state. off the top of my head Mass, Conn & RI MIGHT be the only states that have completely eliminated dog hunting. however I am almost positive even in those states rabbit, coon & squirrel can be taken w/ dogs.
clubs that focus on show are the WORST place to get information about working dogs.
now mind you, I could be wrong since i've only been hunting w/ dogs for 34 years. Matt has been hunting RRs for at least 10 years & giving seminars for the RRCUS member clubs on how to start training RRs for hunting. SO while my direct experience hunting RRs is limited, my access to extensive experience is pretty good. but hey, maybe we're both wrong & the non hunter that wrote the RRCUS page is right.
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Old 09-01-2012, 01:04 AM
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Romy, I think I need a couple borzoi. You can run dogs on deer here in the southern zone of the state.
Sonic's breeder is from GA and she has taken deer w/ her longdogs. My freind Robbie in SC has taken deer w/ two of Sonic's litter mates. he uses curs to push the deer out into the rice fields and catches them w/ his longdogs.
Sonic caught whitetails for me in NC and a muley doe in UT that kicked the crap out of us while i made him let go.
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Old 09-01-2012, 01:08 AM
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I've never met a bad one . Never seen them do much though.

How do these cur types (RRs, Catahoulas, etc) do in say modern dog sports? Ob, agility, and so forth?
curs can be trained to do almost anything, but will rarely be as good as a specialist. should be competitive though in most modern dog sports.
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Old 09-01-2012, 01:11 AM
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Which is exactly where I got the quote I posted from.
and again they contradict themselves because they have no experience to base their information on. this sort of thing is extremely common in the show community and is a part of what makes me a working dog snob.
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Old 09-01-2012, 01:12 AM
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I'd really like to try that. I don't know anyone that actually runs dogs on deer here though, I just know that it's allowed in certain parts of the state.
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