Questions for bully & APBTA 'type' owners

[AdrianneIsabel]

I don't understand it just being a term thrust upon you, if you use it I expect you to have a definitive reason for its existence. I personally need some clarity on the label. There are pit bulls (APBT) and mixes there of. A pit bull type would be any mix there of but now we are including staffs, Ast, abd, ambully, BT, and so forth? Or is pit bull type an attempt similar to the St Francis terrier?

[Tahla9999]

The second dog in question and the one who did the attack was this dog.



Okay, are these dogs APBTs?









Yes, they are. APBTs varied greatly in looks, and even the ADBA gave the APBT no general weight limit.

[sassafras]

Just a note about bite statistics... unless they are expressed as a function of the population of the breed in question (which they almost never are), they are pretty much useless. Even the CDC decided at one point to stop tracking bites by breed because saying "there were 35 bites by breed X and 65 bites by breed Y in 2010" is pretty much useless if you don't know how many X's and Y's there are in the country right now.

Here is why:

Assuming that breed identification is 100% correct, let's say in 2010 there were 100 serious or fatal bites by Breed X and 10 serious or fatal bites by breed Y in Anytown in 2010. Breed X is looking pretty bad right now.

But, let's say there were 10,000 Breed X's and 1000 Breed Y's living in Anytown in 2010. So the rate of bites per population for both breeds is exactly the same, 0.01 or 1%. That means whether you mean an X or a Y, your chances of meeting a member of that breed who will inflict a serious or fatal bite on you are pretty much equal, even though looking at the raw numbers Breed X looks far more dangerous.

What makes it even more wooly is that there is really no way to count the population of unregistered dogs of any breed. So a breed or type or whatever you want to call it like APBT or bullies or pit bulls or whatever you want to call them probably has a far lower bite rate than it appears by looking at raw numbers, because I suspect there are a relatively high number of unregistered members of those breeds/types.

Once I actually sifted through a crapload of CDC data and calculated the rates of bites as a function of population for a crapload of breeds, and for the most part they all came out pretty much the same. I sincerely wish I had kept that in a spreadsheet somewhere because I am far too lazy and unmotivated to do it all again.


I don't particularly disagree with any of the other points made about concerns with these breeds/types, dog bite statistics just happen to be a pet peeve of mine.

[Red Chrome]

People say LoLa isn't an APBT....yet she has some very nice qualities and as with any dog ..some not so great ones. Point being a few people.. actually on this thread day she isn't an APBT cause she is a blue dog.

Yet she has PAPERS! UKC registered saying otherwise.

Her temperament is better than most pit bulls, she is confident and extremely people friendly. She is an excellent OB dog and changes peoples minds about the APBT all the time.

Until I hear good reason not to call her an APBT,that's what I call her...because she is a Breed Ambassador and shows the Breed in a positive light. She doesn't sit at home on a chain, only to he taken off to get ready for a show,she is not allowed to act like an asshole in public. She has a temperament that leaves a good impression on people.

[Mach1girl]

Originally Posted by Tahla9999

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Is this the dog you say is an APBT that did the attack? Because, I see NO APBT-pit-pit mix-bull dog in this dog. At all. For real.

[cliffdog]

Originally Posted by Red Chrome

People say LoLa isn't an APBT....yet she has some very nice qualities and as with any dog ..some not so great ones. Point being a few people.. actually on this thread day she isn't an APBT cause she is a blue dog.

Yet she has PAPERS! UKC registered saying otherwise.

Her temperament is better than most pit bulls, she is confident and extremely people friendly. She is an excellent OB dog and changes peoples minds about the APBT all the time.

Until I hear good reason not to call her an APBT,that's what I call her...because she is a Breed Ambassador and shows the Breed in a positive light. She doesn't sit at home on a chain, only to he taken off to get ready for a show,she is not allowed to act like an asshole in public. She has a temperament that leaves a good impression on people.

I am not trying to stir up crap here, but UKC papers do not a Pit Bull make.

Is a York/Gaff dog with UKC papers an APBT? Is an AKC Grand Champion with UKC papers an APBT? Is a Champion ABKC Extreme Bully with UKC papers an APBT? My response to all of these would be no.

[Tahla9999]

Originally Posted by Mach1girl

Is this the dog you say is an APBT that did the attack? Because, I see NO APBT-pit-pit mix-bull dog in this dog. At all. For real.

No, the dogs I posted are APBTs from the past who were bred for their original purpose. Only the red dog I posted attack anyone. Sorry, but the Ol Timers will disagree with you. There are dogs who were very tall, dogs who had very thin noses, dogs who were very short and stubby, ALL of whom were called pit bulls.

[cliffdog]

Originally Posted by Tahla9999

Yes, they are. APBTs varied greatly in looks, and even the ADBA gave the APBT no general weight limit.

You're right, they do vary. And there have been some large APBTs in the past. Mayday for instance was a 75lb dog (pit weight). But if you're telling me this dog (which I got off a Pit Bull Attacks news article) is a Pit Bull:


Here's my response to you...

[AdrianneIsabel]

You know I'd much rather the general public see a dog like LoLa and associate that with Pit Bull than most of the "mine is the only true pit bull" dogs out there.

I'm tired of being associated with the type of people who'll sooner turn on someone who's doing right by the breed than actually do anything themselves.

[cliffdog]

I'd prefer it if people saw APBTs as APBTs. There are game-bred APBTs and show-bred APBTs and there are other sport-bred APBTs, too, like weight pull. Then there are working-bred and show-bred AmStaffs and... Bullies.

Frankly I'd be happy if people just thought AmStaffs and APBTs were Pit Bulls and recognized bullies as something else. I don't expect people outside the breed to know specifics, why should they? But I wish people would realize that the dogs in those "120 LB XXXXL RED NOSED PITT BULL!!!!! 30 INCH HEAD!!!!!" ads aren't actual Pit Bulls.