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Old 08-03-2012, 06:19 PM
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Steve is six weeks into rehab for his second groin pull.

He's not that happy.



Neither am I.

But it's going well, or as well as can be expected. Certainly much faster than the last time. But still, this is the whole summer lost again with him living in a box instead of swimming and frisbee-ing and hiking. And I freaking hate it.

We will get through it, but then comes the question... what about the future? I don't want to do this again. I know there are things that we can do preventatively, but I was already doing many of those things. He is in fantastic shape, has core muscles like a boss (part of why he's recovering so much more quickly this time), I warm him up, cool him down, ask him to stretch... but still my favorite collie got hurt in a fairly non-dramatic spill off the dogwalk. (And he wasn't doing anything crazy... he just, for whatever reason, lost his footing.)

This is typically an agility injury. It is typically *not* a flyball injury, where the turn is predictable and the same (or close) every time. I have no question about bringing him back to flyball. But I really don't know what to do about agility, and it's stressing me out.

His rehab vet says he should be fine to go back to agility in time, but I don't think she sees a ton of performance dogs. Some, yes, and they have returned to sport, but I think she mostly sees pet dogs (post-op knees, back problems, weight loss, etc).

His agility trainer is of course pushing hard for him to come back. She thinks he's amazing. His breeder is giving me the "all my dogs who get hurt get hurt playing flyball" business.

I just want to do right by my dog. Problem is, I don't know what "right" is.

I am trying to schedule him to see someone who is more of a performance/agility dog physical therapist (David Acciani, if anyone is familiar with him) next week because he'll be seeing appointments locally. I am looking less for evaluation of my dog at this present juncture, and more for advice for the future. Hopefully he'll be able to help me find my answers.

In the meantime, I'm stressing :-/

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Old 08-03-2012, 06:23 PM
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I really don't know... I have the same hangups about Mia's knees all the time. For me, I came down to the fact that so far she's fine. She's also not a dog I'm going to keep from running and jumping. The vets okayed her, the trainers have okayed her. She loves it. I still worry I'm choosing wrong but there's not much you can do except do the best that you can with the information you have.

I dunno, I'm of the mind that I can't keep her from being a dog or from living and having fun on the thought she MIGHT get hurt.

Either way it sucks.
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Old 08-03-2012, 06:37 PM
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It's not so much a matter of keeping him from running and jumping (AND SWIMMING!!), it's more a specific question of returning to agility. He's so fast and he jumps so big and I tend to be late because I'm a newb and he moves faster than I think. It's the sudden and unexpected changes of directions, mostly, that's the issue. If I were a better handler, maybe I'd be less concerned, but I'm new at this and while I am trying to improve, I am what I am.

He'll certainly be able to return to being a normal dog.
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Old 08-03-2012, 07:25 PM
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Could he do 'better' in a different organization for agility? I know the Nadac courses tend to be lower jumps and more on flat out speed - maybe he'd be safer in an AKC type venue where the jumps are higher and the courses are tighter and he can't go too fast.

I know my old guy used to knock bars more and get more nutty in Nadac, but (and this ages me, I know) kicked butt on the tight 30 inch jump USDAA courses. He had to gather himself and be more collected to do them.

Just food for thought.
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Old 08-03-2012, 07:28 PM
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Relax, and see what the specialist says.

Your breeder knows the lines. You know your individual dog.

If you are worried he is going to get hurt again playing agility, then don't. It's okay. Really. Do flyball or dock diving or silly tricks or whatever you both want to do. The important thing is that you have fun with your dog. And there's no shame in being a specialist...you really don't have to do it all! And if you just want to play around with him to get better at handling for when Bean gets big, you can do that while keeping the courses such that they are safe for Steve.

Your responsibility is to keep your dog healthy and happy and safe. The rest is gravy.

And as a fellow rehabber... *hugs*
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Old 08-03-2012, 07:40 PM
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It's not so much a matter of keeping him from running and jumping (AND SWIMMING!!), it's more a specific question of returning to agility. He's so fast and he jumps so big and I tend to be late because I'm a newb and he moves faster than I think. It's the sudden and unexpected changes of directions, mostly, that's the issue. If I were a better handler, maybe I'd be less concerned, but I'm new at this and while I am trying to improve, I am what I am.

He'll certainly be able to return to being a normal dog.
I'm not to knowledgable but I have kept up with your posts and I'm glad the recovery is going faster this time!

If this is your main issue is it possible for someone else who is experienced in it to help you guys one on one? Maybe someone who could help you with handling just while you are learning and maybe even if they don't ever run with him they might be able to give you some pointers after watching you to get to where you need to be a little quicker?

If not I'm sorry I'm not really in the agility circuit so I don't even know if this is advice that is feasible.
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Could he do 'better' in a different organization for agility? I know the Nadac courses tend to be lower jumps and more on flat out speed - maybe he'd be safer in an AKC type venue where the jumps are higher and the courses are tighter and he can't go too fast.

I know my old guy used to knock bars more and get more nutty in Nadac, but (and this ages me, I know) kicked butt on the tight 30 inch jump USDAA courses. He had to gather himself and be more collected to do them.

Just food for thought.
We don't even *have* an organization yet-- we've never trialed. I don't know if it's better to jump him higher (he'd jump 26" in USDAA) or lower (20" in CPE/AKC/NADAC). He jumps so ugly at a lower height, and tends to get more crazy.

I really hope we can get an appointment with this sport guy. And I hope he can help me clear my head.

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If this is your main issue is it possible for someone else who is experienced in it to help you guys one on one? Maybe someone who could help you with handling just while you are learning and maybe even if they don't ever run with him they might be able to give you some pointers after watching you to get to where you need to be a little quicker?
We recently changed instructors and the new lady is infinitely better and very helpful, but it's just... I have to do it to learn it. Our teamwork is much improved over what it was, but it's *hard*. There is someone I could try privates with... she's very well thought of in the local agility community. I think it's just the plain old learning curve of the game.

At least he's a thousand times SANER than he was when we trained at the old place. There he was crashing jumps left and right because he was so busy being a maniac to look what was in front of him. So there's that.
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Relax, and see what the specialist says.

Your breeder knows the lines. You know your individual dog.

If you are worried he is going to get hurt again playing agility, then don't. It's okay. Really. Do flyball or dock diving or silly tricks or whatever you both want to do. The important thing is that you have fun with your dog. And there's no shame in being a specialist...you really don't have to do it all! And if you just want to play around with him to get better at handling for when Bean gets big, you can do that while keeping the courses such that they are safe for Steve.

Your responsibility is to keep your dog healthy and happy and safe. The rest is gravy.

And as a fellow rehabber... *hugs*
It's so hard and frustrating. I think that I want to do agility with him, but I don't know if I can ever get past my fears of him getting hurt again. I think seeing this specialist will help me get a better handle on how realistic my fears are. If I can't get in with him or if he doesn't help me, I think I might take him back down to the sports medicine specialty practice where he was originally diagnosed. Sports medicine is what they *do*.
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I would suggest when he's better, training small sequences at a low hight - like 8 inches. Work on getting your handling down pat and him focusing on working in a calm manner. If he's the manic type, you need to be calm and quiet and focused. Do things where he has a choice (but won't kill himself either way) and then don't freak out or get worked up if he makes the wrong choice. If there's a whole course set up, go out and have him heel, sit, do the dogwalk, hold his contact, and release. Then go do a jump to a tunnel, and release back to you.

Storee will get nutty if she thinks there's a ball on course for her and she's insane. But if she knows the ball is on me and I want her to work first, she's better. Actually she's much better with just food and no ball, because she's not as food motivated. And she does better the 101th time we do something because she's tired enough not to be goofy insane.
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It's so hard and frustrating. I think that I want to do agility with him, but I don't know if I can ever get past my fears of him getting hurt again. I think seeing this specialist will help me get a better handle on how realistic my fears are. If I can't get in with him or if he doesn't help me, I think I might take him back down to the sports medicine specialty practice where he was originally diagnosed. Sports medicine is what they *do*.
That sounds like a really good plan
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