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Old 08-11-2012, 02:44 PM
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However, is their life LESS deserving because they are adoptable?

I don't think it transfers to breedism however. I believe there is a difference between saying, "Sorry, we do not prioritize the resources to work with and rehabilitate (when often it is impossible) severely temperamentally disturbed dogs and medically damaged dogs." Do those dogs deserve another chance? Sure, most do, but at the cost of many good dogs that get over looked because their story isn't sad enough? That is only up to the rescue to decide I suppose.

Personally I do support some of the sob story dogs but I feel more emotion, maybe I'm jaded, for those who have been looked over because they have all 4 legs, their health, and a smile no matter their age. They seem to get passed over when being pulled all too frequently because they don't break hearts as easily as the beaten, broken, and needing dogs.

Maybe it's the dramatics, maybe we just want something to protect, whatever it is I am glad for it for those who benefit, I'm just not convinced most rescues out there have any patience for dogs without a "story" behind them.

I do believe in the end it's all about balance and frankly the reality that most rescues do not survive past 2 years shows that the balance is lacking, most see these heart breaking stories, jump in and forget to put their own oxygen masks on first. You can't possibly continue helping dogs if you go bankrupt and permanently fill all of your foster homes with un-adoptable/extremely long term rescue dogs.

Ah, and I should add, the lab rescue I respect and donate to happily took that 10-13 year old lab I had for a day. They walked in, looked, fished out a slip lead and said she's ours. <shrug>
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Old 08-11-2012, 04:20 PM
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Idk, the rescue I am involved in doesn't take in dogs based on a sob story. They often will get calls from shelters saying they have a nice dog (or a dobe in particular) that has not been adopted yet and whose time is running out and will pull the dog. They've taken in dogs at all along the spectrum of age, health, temperament, etc. The ones that I've seen that have the most health issues actually are the dobes. Often they pull the dog not knowing there is a health issue, see symptoms, then decide what to do.

They do have tons of healthy dogs go through too-it just depends on what dog comes to the attention of the rescue at that time and what they have room for. I doubt they are the only rescue to operate that way.

In the end rescues are damned if they do and damned if they don't. Take in healthy, adoptable dogs and get criticized for not being a "real rescue." Take in dogs with health issues and get accused of being a "bleeding heart" trying to make donation money off a sob story. If you screen carefully you are too restrictive and not saving enough dogs, screen more flexibly and you're putting dogs in danger. As long as a rescue is being ethical I think that sometimes it's ok to let them do their thing and be happy that dogs are being saved, even if it's not how *you* (collective) would go about saving them.
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Old 08-11-2012, 04:56 PM
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I completely agree.
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I've always seen it backwards to that.

Yes the harder cases cost more. But sob stories bring in money like crazy *the ones I have seen*. So while they are spending more they are also getting quite a bit more being donated in.
I don't mean in donations, I mean in easy dogs that need minimal vetting/work that can be turned over pretty quick. Dogs that show people "hey we actually do get dogs that don't have issues too, so normal families that can't deal with dogs with problems can adopt from us too!"

Not everyone is in the position to take in a rescue dog with a ton of health and behavioural problems. Not everyone wants that and we know there's going to be long term work needed with most of these huge sob story cases. So to keep those "normal" JQP families involved and getting a rescue dog, it's good in my opinion to have some of those easily adoptable dogs too. So you're helping dogs get homes and raising money to be put to the sob story cases.
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In the end rescues are damned if they do and damned if they don't. Take in healthy, adoptable dogs and get criticized for not being a "real rescue." Take in dogs with health issues and get accused of being a "bleeding heart" trying to make donation money off a sob story. If you screen carefully you are too restrictive and not saving enough dogs, screen more flexibly and you're putting dogs in danger. As long as a rescue is being ethical I think that sometimes it's ok to let them do their thing and be happy that dogs are being saved, even if it's not how *you* (collective) would go about saving them.
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I don't mean in donations, I mean in easy dogs that need minimal vetting/work that can be turned over pretty quick. Dogs that show people "hey we actually do get dogs that don't have issues too, so normal families that can't deal with dogs with problems can adopt from us too!"

Not everyone is in the position to take in a rescue dog with a ton of health and behavioural problems. Not everyone wants that and we know there's going to be long term work needed with most of these huge sob story cases. So to keep those "normal" JQP families involved and getting a rescue dog, it's good in my opinion to have some of those easily adoptable dogs too. So you're helping dogs get homes and raising money to be put to the sob story cases.
Sometimes I think that being dog knowledgeable works against those hard to handle dogs too and dogs end up in opposite homes. I can size up a dog in a matter of minutes and know generally what to expect from the dog. I was looking at some older puppies that were shared on FB and they were all very cute, but all of them huddled in a corner. I couldn't help thinking if those dogs were 'stable', they would have a hard time getting a pic of all of them at once...they should be swarming the person in their kennel. Not that I'm unwilling to work with issues...I just know better than to choose those dogs? So..JQP sees these dogs, thinks they are just 'scared in the shelter', and end up with a genetic fear biter.

I guess I'm trying to figure out if, you are a more experienced dog person, should you obligate yourself to more difficult cases and leave the easier ones to JQP? Is that what some of the rescues do...pulling the ones that are more difficult for JQP to deal with, so when they walk in the shelter from off the street they hopefully go for that healthy and easy but normal dog?
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Old 08-11-2012, 06:14 PM
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I guess I'm trying to figure out if, you are a more experienced dog person, should you obligate yourself to more difficult cases and leave the easier ones to JQP? Is that what some of the rescues do...pulling the ones that are more difficult for JQP to deal with, so when they walk in the shelter from off the street they hopefully go for that healthy and easy but normal dog?
I've thought about this before.

I have experience with extremely fearful dogs, hard to train dogs, and dogs with health issues.

But when I think of my next dog I still don't know if I want to get a happy young/puppy or if I should get one that has health or fear issues since I know I could work with them.
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Victor was terrified of everything. I have often found that the really smart and intuitive ones are and the effort put in to them makes the end result worth every second.
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I guess I'm trying to figure out if, you are a more experienced dog person, should you obligate yourself to more difficult cases and leave the easier ones to JQP? Is that what some of the rescues do...pulling the ones that are more difficult for JQP to deal with, so when they walk in the shelter from off the street they hopefully go for that healthy and easy but normal dog?
I don't think so, know. I'm fully capable of handling a dog with issues (Chloe), but does that mean I feel obligated to do so? Hell no. My next dog is going to be bombproof that nothing in the world can cause to act out. LOL

But that being said, because I know what issues I can and cannot handle easily...I wouldn't overlook a dog that just needs some guidance, exercise, and training to be a sane, normal dog. The key being that the guidance, exercise, and training actually has to result in a stable dog, not a dog that's just barely hanging in there.

I've looked at some dogs and said, "All they need is some structure and they'd be perfect." (For example, a highly understimulated Labrador that boards with us - she's severely DA, has no manners, and is almost unmanageable at times, but her inherent temperament is very solid and she has a drive to learn and please) But then, I've looked at other dogs with similar issues and not wanted to touch them with a ten foot pole because their issues aren't stemming from being in the wrong environment, but because of bad genetics/basic temperament issues. And I am so over that.
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Victor was terrified of everything. I have often found that the really smart and intuitive ones are and the effort put in to them makes the end result worth every second.
I think a lot of the commotion of late (in the wake of spindletop) has a lot to do with unadoptable dogs with dog or human aggression.
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