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Old 09-10-2012, 09:03 PM
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Just fyi I asked a wolfdog owner/expert I know about them and got some interesting info. It seems like they do have wolf added recently.
With the major lack of info about them online, how did they get this information?
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Old 09-10-2012, 09:08 PM
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Honestly, I'm not sure and will ask more.
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Old 09-10-2012, 09:26 PM
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Because people have different tastes? Because people have different temperaments they like living with?

With one of the biggest reasons for people dumping dogs at shelters being "he grew bigger than we expected/ is too vocal / is too active / etc." why are people who claim to want to see dogs stay in forever homes so opposed to the creation of a variety of healthy temperament tested companion breeds with specific size and behavior parameters?
There are dogs in shelters of all sizes and temperaments. Don't see one you like? Check back in a week. The majority of the ones you saw last week are dead and you have fresh stock to choose from.
There are a ton of breeds to choose from already. There are 60-110lb dogs that make great pets. But, oh yeah- they just don't have that perfect look you want, so they're no good.
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Old 09-10-2012, 09:40 PM
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There are dogs in shelters of all sizes and temperaments. Don't see one you like? Check back in a week. The majority of the ones you saw last week are dead and you have fresh stock to choose from.
There are a ton of breeds to choose from already. There are 60-110lb dogs that make great pets. But, oh yeah- they just don't have that perfect look you want, so they're no good.
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Why don't we spay/neuter every companion breed if that's the case? People can just find new dogs in the shelter next week.

Personally, I'm having huge issues finding a 60-100 lb watch/guard dog with little to no chance of becoming DA/same sex DA upon maturity, and I don't want a grown dog because I want to socialize it and raise it my way (I have a 12 month old baby at home). And a shelter puppy is essentially a crapshoot in terms of eventual size/temperament. Even my friends who got a purebred GSD puppy from the shelter ended up with a 130 lb (NOT overweight) bitch, who had to be washed from SAR because of hereditary joint probs.

I find it ironic that the same people who scream about working breeds being softened up and watered down because people want companion dogs, also scream about people making new breeds specifically to BE companion dogs. Would you rather people breed the drive out of other breeds or make new ones?
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Old 09-10-2012, 09:43 PM
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People chose certain breeds for certain reasons and I don't think I should have to defend myself for choosing the breed that I did. Sure, it may still be a breed-in-progress and that is something that certain people have issues with, but every breed started somewhere. And the ANCD is bred to be able to work as well, not simply to look good. I looked for YEARS (and I'm not exaggerating one bit) before I found my "perfect" dog in the ANCD and yes that included looking in shelters.
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I find it ironic that the same people who scream about working breeds being softened up and watered down because people want companion dogs, also scream about people making new breeds specifically to BE companion dogs. Would you rather people breed the drive out of other breeds or make new ones?
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I see no problem at all with this breed. It looks as if they're going about it responsibly, so more power to them. And I don't understand the argument about not creating a breed when there are dogs in shelters. Why breed ANY dog when there are dogs in shelters? Some people prefer a dog with a predictable ancestry, traits and known history. What's wrong with that?

They're breeding it to achieve a certain look and temperament to go along with it. What in the world is wrong with that? How is that somehow a less valid niche than a working dog? In the future, I believe looks and personality will become more and more important to dog breeding. Frankly, there's really not a lot of call for sheepherders, duck retrievers, livestock guardians and boar hunters nowadays. People complain about those breeds slowly having their temperaments "softened", yet complain just as loudly about people creating a different-yet-similar breed to fill the companion niche instead. I don't get it.

ETA: Romy said it first, LOL! And I agree 100%! In the future, I could see them developing an enormous molosser-type dog that's extremely friendly and non-DA, just like a golden retreiver. Or a sighthound-looking type with low drive and a less aloof temperament. Or perhaps even a good protection breed that weighs in at only 30-40 lbs, to work better in smaller city homes and apartments.
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Old 09-10-2012, 09:49 PM
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I see no problem at all with this breed. It looks as if they're going about it responsibly, so more power to them. .
This. I'd much rather have breeders CGCing and health testing their stock than the typical BYBer pushing out poo puppies one after another. Pick your battles.
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Why don't we spay/neuter every companion breed if that's the case? People can just find new dogs in the shelter next week.

Personally, I'm having huge issues finding a 60-100 lb watch/guard dog with little to no chance of becoming DA/same sex DA upon maturity, and I don't want a grown dog because I want to socialize it and raise it my way (I have a 12 month old baby at home). And a shelter puppy is essentially a crapshoot in terms of eventual size/temperament. Even my friends who got a purebred GSD puppy from the shelter ended up with a 130 lb (NOT overweight) bitch, who had to be washed from SAR because of hereditary joint probs.

I find it ironic that the same people who scream about working breeds being softened up and watered down because people want companion dogs, also scream about people making new breeds specifically to BE companion dogs. Would you rather people breed the drive out of other breeds or make new ones?
i'm a real working snob, but i gotta say i'd rather they make new companions than bring ruin onto a good working breed.
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Old 09-11-2012, 12:03 AM
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With the major lack of info about them online, how did they get this information?
nothing on the internet about the real origin of the alapaha bulldog or the leopard cur either, but if you know the right people you can hear all about it.
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