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View Poll Results: How do you feel about gun control?
My home has guns for safety or sport 26 54.17%
I don't have one, but feel it's a right 6 12.50%
I might have one if I needed it 2 4.17%
I wouldn't have one personally, but it's a right 4 8.33%
I don't want a gun and only police need them 4 8.33%
There should be gun control across the board 3 6.25%
When deer and bears can shoot back... 0 0%
Ted Nugent is out of his%#@&% mind! 1 2.08%
Tacos and Margaritas 2 4.17%
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Old 07-20-2012, 02:52 PM
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I firmly believe in the adage, "If guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns." Murder is already illegal, and yet people commit it all the time. What makes anyone think a ban on owning guns or stricter gun control laws is going to stop events like the one that happened in CO? All that's going to do is make it impossible for the law abiding citizen to defend themselves, when the law abiding citizens are the only ones who will be...well, abiding by the laws.
Lennox was a prime example of laws only affecting those who abide by them. If the Barnes family had not been law abiding, had not licensed him as the local law dictated, how likely is it that he'd have even been on the radar?

It's against the law to walk into someone's home and steal their belongings. The law does a good job of keeping people who aren't likely to break into your home and steal your belongings from doing it.

It's the same principle, dogs, theft, murder or firearms -- or anything else "against the law."
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Old 07-20-2012, 02:52 PM
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We have guns, I support the right to arm bears.
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So many crimes are commited with stolen and/or black market guns.
That is something that need to be better enforced. Law enforcement needs to stop guns from going in and out of the country illegally and being obtained illegally. I think gun laws and law enforcement should focus on barring people with criminal histories and mental issues (gangs as well) from owning guns. Basically working on ways to make it less likely a criminal will be armed and more likely the other person will own a gun or be able defend himself/herself in other ways.

Also, people should not be legally allowed to use lethal force unless there is no other option.
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Old 07-20-2012, 02:58 PM
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That is something that need to be better enforced. Law enforcement needs to stop guns from going in and out of the country illegally and being obtained illegally. I think gun laws and law enforcement should focus on barring people with criminal histories and mental issues (gangs as well) from owning guns. Basically working on ways to make it less likely a criminal will be armed and more likely the other person will own a gun or be able defend himself/herself in other ways.

Also, people should not be legally allowed to use lethal force unless there is no other option.
It's already illegal for convicted criminals to own firearms. Short of putting surveilance cameras on every convicted criminal or violent person with a mental illness in the country and monitoring their every move, you can't ensure they won't get their hands on something (or build something), somehow.

Just like there are classes of drugs that are illegal across the board for everybody, we have a drug enforcement agency with an international reach, and yet there is still a massive massive problem with illegal drugs. How is creating the same kind of agency to deal with firearms going to make any kind of impact?

ETA: People already aren't allowed to use lethal force unless there's no other option.
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That is something that need to be better enforced. Law enforcement needs to stop guns from going in and out of the country illegally and being obtained illegally. I think gun laws and law enforcement should focus on barring people with criminal histories and mental issues (gangs as well) from owning guns. Basically working on ways to make it less likely a criminal will be armed and more likely the other person will own a gun or be able defend himself/herself in other ways.
It's already illegal for anyone convicted of any violent crime (including misdemeanor battery, and ANY felony, violent or otherwise) to own guns in the US. You say "law enforcement needs to stop guns from being obtained illegally," as if every time someone makes a deal in a back alleyway, a cop can magically appear and start making arrests. It just doesn't work that way.

Also, who gets to decide what "mental issues" bar people from owning weapons? Are you referring to ALL mental issues, or just some? People with Down Syndrome? Aspergers? Anxiety disorders? Clinical depression?

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I sure hope she's comfortable financing those magically appearing officers... Me, I hope my money goes in the "better things to accomplish" bin.
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Also, people should not be legally allowed to use lethal force unless there is no other option.
There is already enough fear about using guns and the potential backlash you can get from it...no need to legislate that any further. I'll remember the next time a guy is trying to access my house to ask him to leave politely. I'm sure that'll stop him. If I'm ever in a situation that requires the intervention of a firearm, I'm going to take that ******* out of the gene pool.
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Couldn't knowing the people in the room were likely carrying guns encourage the assailant to use bombs too, then?
I guess it is possible, for those situations, but I should be able to protect myself in any situation, even a 1 on 1 situation where someone may not be going for mass murder, if they have an illegal gun, and I am a law abiding citizen not allowed to have a gun, then I don't even have a possible opportunity of protecting myself or my family.

I have the right to defend my family. And if they take that right away, they are going to turn a lot of honest people into criminals, because we will not give that up. I will not turn our safety solely into the hands our government and I know that I am not the only one. So then our law enforcement will be wasting time and resources on responsible gun owners instead of dealing with the ones who are already doing illegal things.
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http://abcnews.go.com/US/okla-woman-...ry?id=15285605

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As one of the men was going from door to door outside her home trying to gain entry, McKinley called 911 and grabbed her 12-gauge shotgun.

McKinley told ABC News Oklahoma City affiliate KOCO that she quickly got her 12 gauge, went into her bedroom and got a pistol, put the bottle in the baby's mouth and called 911.

"I've got two guns in my hand -- is it okay to shoot him if he comes in this door?" the young mother asked the 911 dispatcher. "I'm here by myself with my infant baby, can I please get a dispatcher out here immediately?"

The 911 dispatcher confirmed with McKinley that the doors to her home were locked as she asked again if it was okay to shoot the intruder if he were to come through her door.

"I can't tell you that you can do that but you do what you have to do to protect your baby," the dispatcher told her. McKinley was on the phone with 911 for a total of 21 minutes.
This story kind of underlines my feelings on gun control...if she didn't have a gun, her and her baby would have been injured or killed.
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Old 07-20-2012, 03:31 PM
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My guns have never killed anyone. My APBTs have never killed anyone. Then again, I obey the laws.

Those who are out there shooting, stabbing, murdering, raping, & robbing are already breaking many laws. Do you really think they will all-of-a-sudden see the error of their ways if guns were made illegal?
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