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Old 07-18-2012, 09:22 AM
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Default Border Collie, but not.

Is there a breed of dog that has the natural athleticism of a border collie, without the herder brain?

I don't have much experience with herders, other than one sheltie/BC mix I dogsit, but from what I've seen and heard, I do not like the herding instinct and the somewhat neurotic behaviours that can be associated with it.

I'm thinking miniature poodle, but was wondering if there are other breeds out there to consider?

In all honesty, I will probably find just what I'm looking for in rescue somewhere, but until the perfect dog pops up, I would like to do some other breed research.
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Old 07-18-2012, 10:52 AM
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If all you would like is the athletics of a Border, then I would dare say many breeds fit that requirement!

I mean, goodness, I go to a dock diving trial and I see many, many Lab/Chessie breeds that are incredibly athletic and look like a ton of fun.

IMO, if you condition the dog throughout his entire life to be the athletic sort, the dog will be.
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Old 07-18-2012, 11:12 AM
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If all you would like is the athletics of a Border, then I would dare say many breeds fit that requirement!

I mean, goodness, I go to a dock diving trial and I see many, many Lab/Chessie breeds that are incredibly athletic and look like a ton of fun.

IMO, if you condition the dog throughout his entire life to be the athletic sort, the dog will be.

Oh right, I guess I should clarify what I'm looking for in terms of "natural athleticism". What draws me to the border collie is their light weight frame and size, lessening the impact on their joints. I love the border collie jumping ability as well. I'm an ultimate frisbee player and I'm interested in trying my hand at disc dog stuff, so I really want a dog that can "fly" for a disc. Most of the disc dogs I've seen are BCs or BC mixes, or other herders and they truly excel at the sport.

I guess I'm looking for a light framed dog that is under 35lbs that is NOT a herder.
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Old 07-18-2012, 11:16 AM
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Though not the easiest dogs to train Whippets come to mind for disc - Ashley Whippet specifically.
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Old 07-18-2012, 11:29 AM
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I'd say there are lots of dogs that meet that criteria! A well-bred, well put together APBT can be under 35 lbs and incredibly athletic. We'll see how he develops, but my mom's field-bred Cocker is shaping up to be quite the jumper even as a pup, and he'll finish around 30 lbs.

We also have an Am. Eskie at work... I know they had a rep for bad temperament, but this girl is sweet as can be, drivey, and WOW is she on springs. And she's itty bitty, only 20 lbs I think.

Also, some of the terriers, if you're up for it. JRTs are madmen, in general, and very athletic.
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Old 07-18-2012, 12:10 PM
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Though not the easiest dogs to train Whippets come to mind for disc - Ashley Whippet specifically.
I was thinking about whippets as I LOVE them, but worry about the off leash deal. There were two frisbee whippets I used to see at the dog park, but they had to be in a fenced area. I want a reliable off leash dog.

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I'd say there are lots of dogs that meet that criteria! A well-bred, well put together APBT can be under 35 lbs and incredibly athletic. We'll see how he develops, but my mom's field-bred Cocker is shaping up to be quite the jumper even as a pup, and he'll finish around 30 lbs.

We also have an Am. Eskie at work... I know they had a rep for bad temperament, but this girl is sweet as can be, drivey, and WOW is she on springs. And she's itty bitty, only 20 lbs I think.

Also, some of the terriers, if you're up for it. JRTs are madmen, in general, and very athletic.
APBT would be great, but I live in Ontario where they're banned. I will definitely look into field cockers further. I did a preliminary web search after I saw your thread about your family's new puppy, but didn't find much in my area. Thanks for the suggestion. I love spaniels.

I'm not a fan of eskies, too much fur.

I thought about terriers, but again, the off leash issues make me nervous.
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Old 07-18-2012, 12:35 PM
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Our Dalmatian growing up had very similar energy to most BCs I've met. They weigh more than 35lbs, though.
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Old 07-18-2012, 12:40 PM
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Have you thought about doing a rescue? You could probably find a bc or bc mix without the herder mentality.
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I was thinking about whippets as I LOVE them, but worry about the off leash deal. There were two frisbee whippets I used to see at the dog park, but they had to be in a fenced area. I want a reliable off leash dog.



APBT would be great, but I live in Ontario where they're banned. I will definitely look into field cockers further. I did a preliminary web search after I saw your thread about your family's new puppy, but didn't find much in my area. Thanks for the suggestion. I love spaniels.

I'm not a fan of eskies, too much fur.

I thought about terriers, but again, the off leash issues make me nervous.
Just gonna point out that Dekka's whippets and JRTs are all farm dogs and reliable off leash, so I wouldn't discount a whippet or terrier for not off-leash reliable
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Old 07-18-2012, 01:19 PM
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Our Dalmatian growing up had very similar energy to most BCs I've met. They weigh more than 35lbs, though.
I was thinking about Dals too, but I think they need more than I can give them. This is also what worries me about field bred spaniels. I'm a complete newbie when it comes to dog sports, and I feel I might be in over my head with Dals and other breeds with strong working drive. I want an active dog, but I'm also not interested in competitive level sports at all.

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Have you thought about doing a rescue? You could probably find a bc or bc mix without the herder mentality.
Yes, rescue is my first choice. I'm on the look out for the "ideal" dog, because I know he/she (preferably he) is out there. I just need to get a house first, which is proving...challenging, to say the least.


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Just gonna point out that Dekka's whippets and JRTs are all farm dogs and reliable off leash, so I wouldn't discount a whippet or terrier for not off-leash reliable
I'm not discounting them entirely, just a concern I have, especially living in an urban area.
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