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Old 07-15-2012, 09:59 PM
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Default Question 2. 'Desire to please'

I heard a couple people recently say that they thought dogs do not purely desire to please people in any situation. That the dog acts on what is beneficial to it. Agree? Disagree?

I am honestly unsure.
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Old 07-15-2012, 10:08 PM
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I think if you look at it at a purely unemotional way you could say that making you happy equals good things for them, something they find pleasurable so working for the act of pleasing you makes it in turn pleasing to them. So you happy, means happy time for them, which means working harder for happy time.

But I've got to say Traveler works very hard for me. He will bend over backwards to make me happy. Kaylee? Well if she doesn't get food then it is pointless. Traveler will work for a smile and Kaylee will leave and find the garbage.

But I could be misunderstanding what you're saying too, kinda multitasking.
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I guess it depends on how you look at it, but I'd disagree. Mira has a lot of, for lack of a better term at this moment, social drive and she will do stuff just for praise and attention. And since praise and attention is how she knows that's what I wanted, I guess I would call that a "desire to please."

But again I suppose it depends on how one defines such things.

Doesn't mean she'll do anything for that. But it definitely plays a roll in many situations.
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Old 07-15-2012, 10:13 PM
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I think how people act when they are pleased can be rewarding/motivating to some dogs. So in a sense I guess the desire to work for that reward is the same as the desire to work for any other reward.


ETA: I think what some people don't like about the phrase is that it can be interpreted as having an implication that a dog who has "a desire to please" understands the situation with enough sophistication to want to do something purely to make a person happy with no thoughts of itself. But personally, I don't think even among humans ANY of us achieve that level of purity - pleasing other people almost always gives us some benefit as well, derived at least in part by how another person acts when we do something that pleases them.
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Old 07-15-2012, 10:18 PM
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I think if you look at it at a purely unemotional way you could say that making you happy equals good things for them, something they find pleasurable so working for the act of pleasing you makes it in turn pleasing to them. So you happy, means happy time for them, which means working harder for happy time.

But I've got to say Traveler works very hard for me. He will bend over backwards to make me happy. Kaylee? Well if she doesn't get food then it is pointless. Traveler will work for a smile and Kaylee will leave and find the garbage.

But I could be misunderstanding what you're saying too, kinda multitasking.
This is kind of the dilemma I'm having. Both my dogs are the kind that I can just point them to something and they'll do it. They often seem to just listen just because. So I have often said they are the type of dog that wants to please.

But I suppose a social factor is the drive there. I can't think of much of anything that is more rewarding to my dogs than getting to be around the people they like.
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Old 07-15-2012, 10:51 PM
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I think it depends on the dog. I've seen some that were truly wily. They'd do what you wanted just long enough to get what they wanted. I've met others that would know exactly when you needed a smile or a head in your lap. It's not even a breed thing, just personality.
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Old 07-15-2012, 11:07 PM
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I have a girlfriend with a BC that always amazes me. She can offer treats and toys but in the end the dog really just wants mom to scruff him up and say good boy.

If I work my two too much without a toy they begin to look at me like whats it in for me? and then they begin to search me for a reward by systematically biting my normal hiding spots. I have sweet dogs. lol
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Old 07-15-2012, 11:12 PM
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I think the dog/breed makes it vary wildly. Sport LIVES to be given things to do. He will do things for the joy of being able to follow cues. He get so excited over any interaction.

Then we have the JRTs They are very into people, but aren't slavishly interested in doing random behaviours for human amusement. They either need to have nothing else more interesting going on or the chance of there being something in it for them.

The whippets fall in the middle closer to Sport. They desire the increased interaction that following cues usually provides. Though if its difficult or unpleasant (lying down is horrible if you ask them lol) they often look at you like 'why' if we arent' in 'training' mode. Simple or fun cues are met with swift and enthusiastic obedience.
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Old 07-15-2012, 11:49 PM
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Depends on the dog. Some dogs just do things with little or no reward, and maybe all they want out of the deal is a smile from their owner or a pat on the head. To me that's working to please.

Then there are dogs like Juno who want something more out of it. She'll do anything for anyone as long as there are treats or toys involved. There's no sort of motivation to please me - she just wants something worth her while.
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Elsie's favorite thing is making me laugh. I don't know why she loves it, but she does. It sucks, because she'll act up and do ridiculous stuff to get me going, and it works.
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